Every member of Congress who voted in favor of this bill will be fearing for their job in 2010. They will get booted out in favor of representatives who honor their Constitutional oath. Let’s hope the Senate has more sense. Not holding my breath, though.

Good morning Ms Alisyn,

This entire Country has gone nuts I’m afraid. A pencil as a weapon? Spending twice more than we have to drive up the cost of health care? Is insanity a cure for crazy? I’m thinking not.

If we, as a nation don’t get our act together we are surely going to a dark place in a handbasket very fast.

Good luck with your picks today.

chas

Good morning Alisyn and all, They had to run conservative to get it passed. Abortion is a conserative issue. Now the liberals are mad. Real victory?

Not all of them Sterling. The left coast will be in favor of this lunacy as well the left fringe of the east coast.

I hope they will be happy when the bill comes due to pay for this.

chas

Maybe it will not pass in the Senate.

The left is angry already with the abortion amendment. Now watch the fight begin

Did the Prez bring Dems and Reps together? Gee, could have fooled me. The 1 republican that voted in favor would have to be from Louisiana.

Good Morning from Flyover.

TARP, Recovery Act, Healthcare, Cap and Trade, Stimulus 2. Is there no end to the madness? This nation is bankrupt, economically as well as morally. Those on the left just haven’t figured that out yet, or just don’t care!!!

Not only from LA, but the guy who replaced Jefferson, the crook who avoided prosecution until he lost his re-election bid.

chas

That’s the problem, they will not stand on principle. They vote for political purposes. Take a stand for your beliefs

All the games in the world behind the scenes used to pass this house bill will not be worth the devastation to small business and the health industry if it ever becomes law. The cost will be staggering and those who think they wanted this will be left with a political victory but not much else.

Chas,

Jefferson was the guy who keep $90,000 in the freezer.

kept

Left with a large bill that we cannot afford or be able to pay.

chas

The repub from Louisiana is from New Orleans and voted his constituency, which is entitlement poor and the home of the ACORN and SEIU funds disbursement center. He took William “Cold Cash” Jefferson’s seat.

The guy who voted for the bill is from the New Orleans area. Down here we say, you have north Louisiana, south Louisiana, and New Orleans. New Orleans is another world.

Good Morning

Massive Layoffs around the country will lead to businesses dropping health care and forcing their workers to buy their own.

Electrolux Maytag/ Frigidaire just announced they are moving all of their American plants to their new 100 million dollar plant in Juarez Mexico

General Electric just shut down their Solar Panel Plant in Delaware WHERE ARE THE GREEN JOBS?

Obama is an IDIOT why didn’t he tie the New Home Buyer Rebates to Solar Installs. $10,000 system can run most homes.

Over 8,000 Ford F150 Trucks were sold in the cash for clunkers AND THEY GET 10 – 15MPG

Our Government is out of control and they are IDIOTS….

Right now the average health care plan with 2k to 5k deductibles and 10 Million Max Payouts costs $5000 a year.

Under ObamaCare that price will go to $8,000 a year for an individual and if your company drops you ….YOU HAVE TO BUY IT ON YOUR OWN.

YOU WAIT
If this ObamaCare Plan goes into effect EVERY EMPLOYER other then the Elite will drop their plans and we (average workers making 30 to 50k a year) will be forced to pay $8k for a plan or go to jail.

This is who Obama is working for:

This is Obooboo’s idea of bi-partisianship….lol

chas

Good Morning to all!!

I can’t believe this health-care bill passed either! It still has to make it through the Senate though and I really don’t believe it will make it. There is still hope!

The pencil thing … in 5th grade french class this girl useto sharpen her pencil and poke me to get me in trouble….

DAM RIGHT THEY ARE WEAPONS

they can draw blood

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full pencil registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.” –Adolph Hitler

Good Morning Alisyn,
Every Politician who voted for this government takeover of our healthcare system,
will be looking for a JOB in 2010……you can take that to the bank.
Good Morning everyone.

Vote for it now and well fix it later. Who in their right mind would vote for a pig in a poke?

Maybe Pelosi threatened the last 2 holdouts with a pencil?

chas

I don’t know anymore. I’m living in a reality show, The government knows best, I just hope it gets canceled soon.
I still have lead in my knee my sister gave me. It’s not very smart to pick on ones little sister when she has a pencil, that’s what I learned

Hockey Guy: You cannot force people to “go green” with the use of solar panels in places like I live where sunshine is in short supply all winter!! There are skeletons of solar systems dotting the landscape here that were installed in the Carter years when the “energy” crisis was first trotted out. I agree with all else you said. We are doomed to increasing the number of people living in poverty if some big thing doesn’t happen to reverse all of this spending.

Morning Sal.

Wow Bruce, makes me glad I only had a little brother.

chas

We need to start making lists of these SO CALLED Representatives and remove them from office….

This is getting to be way too much…

Its like the past 25 years they had crazy people like Maxine Waters, Charley Rangle and Barney Frank spewing out these insane ideas…..

AND NOW THEY ARE IN CHARGE

Why didnt Barney get Drug Tested I BET HE SMOKED THAT POT AT HIS BOYFRIENDS HOUSE TOO

These people need to go…. THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED

There are elections Next year and every one that is doing these things needs to go….

AND THE RNC CHAIR NEEDS TO GO TOO!

Gee Bruce I had 8 sisters and only got knots on my head. LOL

HEY ALYSON

In that Miley Video LOOK HARD
Its Miley’s Mom (the blond) in the Pickup Bed Dancing with her … and on stage

There are a whole bunch of Moms and Dads in that video

Every Kid in the video has a Parent in the Video

Hockeyguy who do we replace them with,another politician?

Morning Chas.

Hey Hey Hey How are all my Fox Friends???

If I hear anymore on heathcare I’m gonna need some

We met with Space from Ohio for an hour and 1/2 on thurs. and he voted for it. We have over 120 businesses who have agreed to run ads against him next fall. He will pay and we warned him that he would if he voted for this mess.

The only silver lining is that when the government tries to force us to take stuff we don’t want we become mobilized and vote the suckers out. I think Nancy Pelosi is celebrating prematurely. The bill has many more hurdles to pass and opportunities to be watered down and delayed. The numbers of us against this boon doggle are overwhelming.

HANG THAT ___________ you fill in the blank

We were tough, I chased my sister one day ,she jumped in the back seat of the family Buick slamed and locked the door the problem was my little finger was in the way and I stood there till my parents let me out and said that’s what you get for chasing you sister. My finger is still bent

Jeez Ms Aly, writing a song doesn’t mean you are actually there, if you know what I mean.

Sometimes you just expand upon a feeling. She might not of heard a jay Z song but knows his name and it went with what she was writing at the time.

chas

My nephew Danny is in a Jay Z Video

Here he is the doorman in the begining of this video,,, this is the building my Brother in Law has been the door man for 15+years & Lil Dan got a job there too

Do not be surprised when Harry “Light Weight” Reid pulls the nuclear option to get this insanity passed in the Senate!!

Good Morning Alisyn and to everyone on the blog this morning.

This health care reform has me in a panic. How can anyone in Congress vote on something, they have no idea how it will turn out? The bottom line is job losses and unemployment, and I can see that coming. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon, oh wait they will be out of a job too! Under government control. Let us pray that this get stopped in the Senate. Most of Congress will be out of a job in 2010 and 2012.

I dont think the Senate can pass. (I hope to heck not!). Can you imagine the melding of the congress and the senate bill, what 3,000 pages. I wonder if Reids amendment to the senate bill still eliminates the people of Nevada from contributing to the expense of the health care bill.

Wow, a pencil as a weapon. I guess all those thumb tacks I placed on other kids seats might have put me away. Wait a minute I was caught the good Sisters executed corporal punishment on the spot. We wont talk about the bick pen dart gun.

Ed

OK here

silver blond fox miley points her thumb at :22sec in her video is her MOM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M11SvDtPBhA#t=0m20s

I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance policies.

chas

IF #2 pencils are so popular why are they not #1 ??

I was poked in the knee, arm, back numerous times when I was in school and THOSE kids never got in trouble!! I think zero policy does more harm than good. Just because its so easy for kids to fall into the cracks.

On the passing of the Health Care Bill.
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.

No one in their right mind ever runs in politics

Me that is SUCH a good point!!! LOL!!! Why AREN’T they number #1???

The problem with all this insanity is not the number of people that are in opposition, it is The number of people IN OFFICE that are in favor of it. This is exactly what those of us right wing lunatics were warnig against before Oimsomarvalous was elected. The very issues that were blamed on the previous administration are being compounded now.

Morning Metalgirl !!

And don’t think there were not some back room threats of physical harm.

OOHHHH Bruce that explains why they’re all nuts. LOL

Allison…We have zero tolerance for pencil poking. How about zero tolerance for Iran nukes?

Eileen do you mean…Nancy Piglosi ?

Don’t laugh Meleen but I use 2 1/2 lead pencils they last longer

In Mileys Song Party In the USA

When they are on the Pickup Truck

There are 3 girls and Their 3 MOMS are dancing right there with them

heh

homless comforter & sheets IS that to go with the new Homeless American doll?

why are they preparing the kids that to be homeless is sheik

John my grandfather never completed the 8 th grade but had many old sayings. I remember him saying” Boy, those who can do, those who can’t teach and those who can’t do either become politicians”. Right again Pap

Hey Alisyn,

A No. 2 pencil? Are you serious? My whole class from elementry school should be in prison if that’s the case! We’re getting a little too carried away with this crap.

Pat

P.S. You look amazing as always!

I’ve been asking this for quite a while and I will ask again until I get an answer…..Why in God’s name does Nancy Pelosi ALWAYS look like she just finished drinking the blood of kittens???? The woman just looks frightening at ALL times!!!! LOL!!!

I think it’s the Botox…lol

chas

Women should be in combat because of the bravery of a police officer?

Facts from different scientific studies.

1) Women have only 60 percent of the physical strength of men.
2) Women are on average six inches shorter and have a drastically smaller frame.
3) Women survive basic training only by being graded on effort rather than on performance.
4) Women process mental stress and pain differently than men.

A good point someone made…

“Every country that has experimented with women in actual combat has abandoned the idea, and the notion that Israel uses women in combat is a feminist myth. The armies and navies of every potential enemy are exclusively male; their combat readiness is not diminished by coed complications or social experimentation.

“Denial of physical differences is an illusion that kills. That’s the lesson of the Atlanta courtroom massacre where a 5-foot-one, 51-year-old grandmother police guard was overpowered by a 6-foot-tall, 210-pound former football linebacker criminal; so now three people are dead.”"

There is a reason why women don’t compete against men in the Olympics and
professional sports.

BTW- only 282 people showed up at the Organizing For America health care reform rally in Royal Oak, Michigan according to the organizers of the “event”. Wow

MetalGirl, that must be it cause I think she looks like the cat clock where the eyes move back and forth. tick tock

My daughter was born with a heart dfect called Tetrology of Fallot. She has had three heart srugeries and still needs a valve replacement. She is now 17…..I wonder if she will be worth the money to have her valve changed.

Chas you do the smiley things, have one where the eyes move?

OMG BRUCEWV!!!!! You’re RIGHT, SHE DOES!!! LMAO!!!

I’ll pray for her Jim

Here is the list of names for the Ayes, print it off and use it in 2010.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml

C’mon Peter, ADD???? My grandfather cured all his grandchildren of ADD by hanging a razor strap on the back porch.

Ed

colon roll colon.

You can find the list here: http://en.support.wordpress.com/smilies/

chas

I’ve lost count, what is that for me now…..like 8 I think.
The air must be real thin up there on the hill, or else these politicians are just blind drunk with power to have passed this “bill” in the house. 2010 mid-terms can’t come soon enough to wake these clowns up.

WOMEN RULE!!! ,,,,,,,,,I’ve been under a rock I guess,,,,, A WOMAN STOPPED THIS TERRORIST!!!!

President Obama began his weekly Internet and radio address on Saturday with these words: “This past Thursday, on a clear Texas afternoon, an Army psychiatrist walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center, and began shooting his fellow soldiers.”

Did the President just convict the man? Isn’t and wasn’t he a lawyer? Or was that all a lie too?

OMG MARY! your right!!

Such a good point Mary!!

Just about everyone on the hill is a lawyer or Dr. They must have failed practices or why else would they be there

Good morning Alisyn and all,

This is a compilation of cartoons that are syndicated in your daily newspaper.
How ironic that a cartoonist is one of the few American “journalists” that have the courage to criticize Obama?

Mallard Fillmore and FOX News…….
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/mallard1.asp

I believe that the actual percent is around 60% are lawyers.

chas

If I used Citibank, I’d be moving my account regardless of how much money I usually keep in my checking account. That is a ridiculous fee.

Oh, good morning everyone.

Why do you keep calling the massacre by an Islamist extemist at Ft. Hood a “national tragedy?” A hurricane is a national tragedy. His actions meet every definition of terrorism. I would expect this on MSNBC or in Robert Gibbs’ press briefing but not from Fox News.

Morning Liz, I agree, my money would be long gone.

chas

I PRAY TO THE GOOD LORD ABOVE THAT THIS HEALTH CARE BILL DOES NOT PASS THE SENATE!

should we list the number of calories on food for health reasons? should we list how many homosexuals have hiv compared to straight people on a bottle of ky jelly. this isn’t a moral question on homosexuality, it is an example of where this sort of thing can lead…..

Good one Rubie

Thank you Lori, for pointing that out. I was sitting here thinking the same thing. Why on earth are we so afraid to call a terrorist a terrorist?

Amen, MetalGirl.

Lori, I agree. I’m so sick of way the government and the media are framing the coverage of Ft Hood. Just because he didn’t happen to be carrying a membership card to a particular Islamic terror group, does not mean that this was not Islamic terrorism.

Lori I think we should change the meaning of PC to Perfectly Clear

it is what it is ….an IS LAMIC T ERROR A TTACK ON US SOIL!!!!!!

hey it would not post it for me liz without the space but yours got right thu

Calling a terrorist a terrorist isn’t considered very “PC”…..:roll:

well look, when you are a couple of billion short of funding all you’re entitlement programs….you need a public that feels safe and secure in order to begin gutting the military.

+9Good Morning all….lets see how long I see hear this morning…lol. Hows all doing?

Hiyas chas, Liz K carolyn, Lori, MetalGirl1, Bruce, and Sterling! Hows tricks?

Sorry I’ve not been around in a bit….so what’s the topic this morning?

caver! Missed you buddy! How are ya?

Hiyas Me….sorry I missed your ‘Hiya’ this AM….didn’t mean to leave you out.

Can you imagine being on a Middle East front right now knowing your backup is a Muslim. The military has a real problem here.

Hello Caver, nice to see you.

<—- waves to Ali

Doing better today, thanks Sterling, and you? You look Gorgeous….as always…

welcome back caver.

chas

Aww, you’re far too kind! I’m happy to see you. Been wondering about you.

HI CAVER GREAT TO SEE YOU HERE MISSED YOU

CAVER!!!! ~HUG~ Long time no see! Its great to see you!!! Hope all is well with you!

Hi CaveThe problem for me and the term terrorist is means fear. They don’t scare me they pss me off so I guess I’ll call them urinest

Good Morning,

I am a very devoted Fox & Friends watcher, Days & Weekends! I also am one of the people who enjoy watching CSPAN. Yesterday, when Tom Price Rep-GA, and several other Republicans were asking for Parlimentry Procedure from Mr Dingle (who obviously ws not trying to be accomodating) as well as they were objecting, it was because the rules clearly stated that they (each D-Rep) could enter their statement of unanimous consent without embelishment! However, The Gentlelady from New York continued to allow each Rep enter their statement with embelishment and Mr. Dingle did not until the very end charge her with time used! He said when it was the Minority’s turn they would be given the same respect however everytime the Repub – Rep approached the podium, the Gentlemen from Texas was charged with time for each statement! Would you not feel like you had to continue to object to get a fair chance? Fair & Balanced! Right?! Maybe the House needs to follow suit with Fox! It was a clear show yesterday and if the Democrats think that Nancy Pelosi put that Abortion Bill Amendment in and comprimised, they are dreaming! It will be jerked out in the middle of the night so fast their head will spin! She is so two-sided! We as Americans all need to pray at church this Sunday morning that the Senate will not pass this or the Cap -n- Trade. There is too much at stake! Let the Dems celebrate now ……. Good always prevails! Miss George Bush Yet?!!!!!! Nancy

Morning everyone, Term limits, term limits, term limits!!!!!! Guy at Fort Hood was straight out a terrorist… My blood boils everytime I hear that WJR radio report….

Isn’t ‘terrorism or to terrorize’ to do something to the undeserving for no apparent reason? Something to promote fear in a group for no explainable reason?

<— Smooches MetalGirl and Me and doesn't smooch Bruce either….

Works for me

Caver back at ya XX

Thank you for the explanation Nancy. I was wondering what the parliamentary procedure question was.

Personally….I am happy they PASSED the Bill in the House. From here on in they will be all but carving their names on the tombstone of this Congress. The PEOPLE have seen quite enough of who is the corrupt party in the House and Senate. Pelosi and Ried are done.

Zero Tolerance is a cop out for the enforcers. They do not have to analyze the situation and make an appropriate decision. The extreme punishment used against innocent children is abusive and creates long term damage in the child. When we talk about Safe Schools, zero tolerance makes it more unsafe. Soon they will have zero tolerance for sharpened pencils and ban all writing instruments.

~Smoochesbackatcha Caver~

Good Morning All

Comment by Sterling
November 8th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Thank you Lori, for pointing that out. I was sitting here thinking the same thing. Why on earth are we so afraid to call a terrorist a terrorist?
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NOT PC Sterling………..

Hey Landra, nice to see you my friend.

chas

WTF???? via Twitter

exposeliberals Muslim starts Facebook group 4 Fort Hood killer “Praying for recovery of Nidal Hasan” http://is.gd/4PRWs #tcot #orca

Caver, I hope you are right, but please everyone, keep up the pressure on your Congress. The next thing that will be ahead will be the Crap and Tax and no amnesty bill. We have to keep it up with speaking our minds, calling, writing and if need be visiting DC on numerous visits.

That big white building in DC belongs to the American Taxpayers! Don’t let it slip through our fingers. The White House is also a temporary residence, and we will elect someone next time to put us on the right path to what our founding fathers and our Consitution were all about.

sorry, the amnesty bill……………take out the no

Keep up the good fight, Later

Thousands of citizens traveled to Washington D. C. last week for the purpose of appealing to Congress that “We, the People” do NOT what this health care bill passed because it tromps upon freedoms guaranteed to us by the Constitution.

We watched C-SPAN last night……..
N.Y. Rep. Louise Slaughter said “Thousands of protests showed up to threaten us into not voting in favor of this bill. If they expected us to run for cover or vote against this bill they are going to be disappointed. Hearing those extreme views only made most of us more confident that we are doing the right thing here today by approving this bill.”

IT IS APPALLING THAT MS. SLAUGHTER accuses these Patriotic Americans of threatening Congress when they are rightfully exercising their right according to the First Amendment. She is third on the list of members of Congress to boot in 2010, following Pelosi and Reid.

*Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, AND TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES.

How about if we institute a “zero tolerance” policy for members of Congress?

ZERO TOLERANCE FOR:
Passing unconstitutional legislation
Passing legislation containing ANY “pork” whatsoever
Passing legislation to which the majority of their constituents are opposed
Passing legislation which increases our national debt by $1 or more

One problem: Congress would be vacant for awhile…

I agree, Landra…..but it’s just that they want to find one rule to apply to everyone. It’s not like they are dealing with individuals…..just somebody else’s brat. The militant jerks that make up school boards want their name on the list of board members….but don’t want to spend time there. They would rather raise good socialist brats that will follow orders and obey the collective.

In my opinion…it wasn’t so hard to be a teacher when I was growing up….but my teachers weren’t burdened with raising me as well. But that was when we believed in God and respected our parents and all that other stuff in the Ten Commandments. Glad we got rid of God in our schools and most homes, huh?

As far as a pencil being a weapon???? It could be I know a young boy who lost his eye because of being jabbed by a pencil.

<—- waves to Mary and Landra

I’m with Dr. B! Zero tolerance for Congress!!

Comment by Dr_B_in_NJ
November 8th, 2009 at 8:56 am
How about if we institute a “zero tolerance” policy for members of Congress?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I’ll vote for that

Good Men Project??? There is no answer or common thread for what a real man is? Being a man is what ever you want it to be? Sounds like bullcrap to me. Smells of more male emasculation disguised as touchy feely research.

<— smooches Merle on the hand…

<— is all for 'touchy-feely' as long as it's with a she…….lol

If you missed the picks for the week, here they are:

Alisyn:
NY Giants
Denver
Baltimore
Philadelphia

C layton:
NY Giants
Denver
Baltimore
Dallas

D ave:
NY Giants
Denver
Baltimore
Dallas

R ick:
NY Giants
Pittsburgh
Baltimore
Philadelphia

chas

Back at cha caver!

I know exactly what makes a good man. I’m married to one.

My Representative did not vote for this, but all of you who have one who did should vote everyone of them OUT. Senators too. It’s madness. I own a business with a payroll right on the line between the extr tax of 2% and 8%. Will I be adding any employees? Nope. Giving raises? Guess again. Raising prices 2%-8% to cover my increased cost? Yep. HOW STUPID ARE THESE PEOPLE. This bill is a killer for small businesses. So, guess what happens when many of us close, offshore, our employees don’t have money? Tax revenue FALLS. And the government is paying for a new entitlement, and has even LESS revenue. Hello.

Not only that, watch for the doctors to bail and start opening up clinics in Mexico. Less doctors, More people. Ratiioning, and yes, DEATH PANELS.

I truly wonder how many of the house really understood what they were voting on last night?

<—- is still a Redskins fan…win or lose…. but has been paying a lot less attention to the NFL this season for some reason….

Zero Tolerance for Congress??? INGENIOUS!!!! You have my vote!! LOL!!

Hi Chas and Caver

I would like to add another aspect for our proposed “zero tolerance” policy for members of Congress:

ZERO TOLERANCE for voting on ANY bill which a member has not thoroughly and completely personally read and reviewed.

I suggest that each voting member must FIRST pass a “quiz” on the bill to prove that he or she has actually read it. Quiz failure leads directly to expulsion (never to return) from Congress. I suspect this would GREATLY INCREASE the likelihood that Congressmen and women would actually read bills prior to voting on them.

~Dr. B. in NJ~

caver, a skins fan? Are there actually any of them?

chas

yep, seeing the dems jumping and high 5’s-I also remember chicago 1968 at the dem. nat. convention
in chicago-if you disagreed you got your head busted-they have always been very mean spirited-
this is also a bold political ‘in your face’ move toward the clintons-obama has showed them “how we roll
in chicago”
pencil as a weapon in school? so are shoes,a book bag,chalk, and a host of other items-way over the top-

And DimWits don’t use any shenanigans! Every time they have stood and opened their mouth, they have lied to the America people about this health care bill. How do they manage to talk out both sides of their mouths at the same time?

Bengals
Chargers
Giants (only because Philly needs the LOSS)
Broncos

Dr B I love that idea!!! Why can’t there be rules like that?? It would negate so much crap!!!

I don’t understand you Alisyn. Why would you think putting people out of work is okay because you don’t know how to look up the nutritional info on your Crackberry? You like the idea of the government doing YOUR job for you because you are too lazy to know what you are putting into your body? Is it because you can’t raise your children and think at the same time? You are no busier than anyone else on the planet….but yet we DO NOT want the government doing OUR jobs for us! You need to replay the tape of you stating that you like the nutrition info being put on everything…..all I heard was WAH..WAH..WAH!! Take responsibility for yourself and your family because I DON’T WANT TO!!! I see your point of view as pure laziness on your part!!! Your children should and will be ashamed of you!

Yup…. was a Bills fan until I moved to the DC area in 71. In 72 I became a Redskins fan and have been proud of it ever since. Win or lose I am loyal. I’m the same with my friends too.

caver my friend, you need to be here on Saturday for your vote to count.

chas

The 1 Rep who voted for the Health Care Bill did so to try and save his job and only after the Dem’s had their 218 votes to pass the Bill, now what does that say about him. If he believed in his people, which he works for, and if he believed this Bill is the right thing for our country then why not standup at the begining of the vote. Your vote was to late to place him in the history books.

Me too, Liz K!

It is my “man’s” birthday today.

Have you seen this published in any American newspapers?

Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists
Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a “spiritual adviser” to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.

By Philip Sherwell and Alex Spillius
Published: 8:17PM GMT 07 Nov 2009
Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother’s funeral was held there in May that year.
READ MORE…….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html

Did you all hear how in California 10% of each paycheck is being deducted to raise money to cover the debt? The plan is to reimburse taxpayers in their tax refunds next April. Is this what will happen to the rest of country as it catches up to the tax mess in CA?

How does a lawmaker make a law if he or she hasn’t read it or doesn’t understand it? Congress is the legislative branch of our government. If they don’t write, read, or understand the laws they’re voting on, then why are they still employed? If, while ignoring all of the aforementioned, they vote to pass bills that their constituents are vehemently opposed to, why are they still employed? This usurpation compromises the integrity of our Constitution, and of the great citizens of this nation. 2010 can’t come fast enough. They are all on notice. Starting now.

I’m just happy to be able to read this well enough to see whats going on chas. My vote rarely counts for anything…I was just adding my two cents anyway. I hope I can be here next Saturday to play along.

That’s called Power, Sterling. They consider themselves above needing to understand. They are following their Messiah into the breech. Too bad for them that we have the last say.

Hi Caver: Glad you are back.

I have said many times that I saw what power does to folks even at the lowest form of political power on the school board. People I served with found ways to make themselves more important than the issues.

Rubie Thanks for posting that

we are glad you are well enough to be back my friend. You were missed.

chas

My football picks
NY Giants over San Diego
Pittsburgh over Denver
Baltimore over Cincinnati
Dallas over Philly,
Good Luck with your picks everyone.

Or used issues to pump up their own importance.

LIONS WILL LOSE

That dang Mylee song is as bad as the Barbie song

come on barbie lets to party

That dang Mylee song is as bad as the Barbie song

come on barbie lets go party

It is totally amazing how incapable the media is of even critiquing this president let alone doing straight up analysis when they had made it their reason for living the destruction of Bush.

We the People of the United States hereby institute a ZERO TOLERANCE policy for members of Congress.

Heretofore, we will afford ZERO TOLERANCE for the following behaviors. Violation of the policy will result in immediate, irrevocable, permanent ban from holding any elected office:

1. Failure to read (as evidenced by failing score on “quiz”) ANY bill on which he or she has voted or is about to vote.

2. Voting to pass any legislation later found to be unconstitutional

3. Voting to pass any legislation to which the majority of their constituents are opposed

And what makes anyone think that the abortion wording that allows government paid abortions won’t be put back in later?

Oh I’m sure it will be, Carolyn, in the middle of the night, probably on a holiday, when they think no one will notice.

WE have the ultimate power, though. Don’t we Sterling?

Did you see my post about only 282 came out to the Health Care Reform rally in Royal Oak yesterday?

You can bet this abortion amendment is not going to be in the final bill. This was done for nothing else but political cover.

chas

Comment by Dr_B_in_NJ
November 8th, 2009 at 9:07 am
I would like to add another aspect for our proposed “zero tolerance” policy for members of Congress:
ZERO TOLERANCE for voting on ANY bill which a member has not thoroughly and completely personally read and reviewed.
I suggest that each voting member must FIRST pass a “quiz” on the bill to prove that he or she has actually read it. Quiz failure leads directly to expulsion (never to return) from Congress. I suspect this would GREATLY INCREASE the likelihood that Congressmen and women would actually read bills prior to voting on them.

~Dr. B. in NJ~
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My thoughts exactly…..

I don’t believe that for one minute, chas. There will be some kind of language added to it along the way. They have infuriated many in their liberal base by removing it, even if it was only to get the bill passed. It will be back, in some form, in order to appease their base.

Yep, poking a person with a sharpened pencil, against consent, is battery and should be punished as such – as should poking a person with a needle full of vaccine, if against his consent.

Wow, Rubie, that is interesting. Our American “journalists” should be investigating that. Evidently there aren’t any left.

One thing that has come out of all of this is: the American people are not going to rest on their hands anymore and let the “others” dictate what we should think, feel, pay etc. The giant has awaken and all I can say is: It is about freakin time!!!!! Don’t stop contacting your representatives and senators, keep up the pressure, that they are working for us!

Wait A MINUTE

THE KID HAS A.D.D.

WHY SHOULD NORMAL KIDS BE EXPOSED TO VIOLENT KIDS WITH A.D.D.

why should anyone have to submit to being stabbed

The kid should have been evaluated by a psychiatrist and suspended for 10 days

If he ever was violent again then

expel the kid from ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS
make his parents get the kid help

Come cap, we are talking kids here. I’d still be in jail for the playground fights I had growing up.

Good morning my friend.

chas

Hey Cap. Assault happens in the halls of school almost non-stop. Having had the distinguished honor of deciding punishments for kids in school, I will tell you each decision was gut wrenching as each story made us all think and rethink the disciplinary policies and punishments. Then toss in the parental pressure……

If another Obungle election were held right now:

http://tinyurl.com/ydur2ay

Is it such a slow news day that you have to talk about Miley Cyrus twice within 10 minutes? Fox & Friends on the weekend is getting very boring. Why don’t you all just replay the first hour over so the people getting up later won’t really miss anything. I for one, am changing the channel.

When you remove a cat’s claws you are basically cutting off their finger at the last joint/digit. Buy a scratching post? Would you cut your kid’s finger off if they scratched you, or buy clippers?

Well that Rasmussen link needs to be put in here long-hand!

45% for Obama, 49% Against – If Election Were Held Right Now
Tuesday, November 03, 2009

Americans are a little less enthusiastic about the presidential candidacy of Barack Obama this time around.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 45% of adults say they would be at least somewhat likely to vote for Obama if he was up for reelection right now. Forty-nine percent (49%) say they would be unlikely to vote for the president’s reelection.

About the cat declawing… In the past, apartments I lived in required cats to be declawed. Now as a homeowner, I was able to make the choice on my own when I adopted two cats as kittens. I chose not to declaw, but instead started trimming their claws when they were still kittens, to get them used to it. I now simply trim their claws once a week, and they are no sharper than a dogs nails.

At some point people have got to come to their senses. Expelling a kid for poking another with a pincel really, when I was in school coach took us out back we took care of it then we had to deal with PARENTS that’s it expelling…I’m sorry that’s just retarted.

When I was a Senior in high school in 1998, we had the zero tolerance garbage. A fight broke out between two mexican gangs on campus. A weapon was used. It was the dreaded #2 pencil. My friends and I looked to each other and said “Does this mean we don’t have to take the TAAS (standardized test back in the day) next semester? Since, ya know… pencils are dangerous weapons and all…”

Unfortunately for us, the school board didn’t think our argument was very valid.

BTW, my uncle still has a piece of lead under his skin from an accident involving a pencil in school, and that was over 50 years ago.

Well, let’s hope Obama puts up a web site every day that we can go to for our instructions on what to wear and eat and drive and if we should de-claw our cats…..sheesh!

Don’t fret about the healthcare votes. Even if it makes it through the senate, the socialized program will not start until 2013. If the 2010 elections go the way they look like they are going, possibly even changing the majority, it will be as simple as bringing up a vote to repeal the bill. same goes for the congressional cycle in 2012. (not to mention that the new president in 2012 can shut it down as well) )

PETER JOHNSON JR. IS A KEEPER.

OMG he’s a riot. Just when you think he’s gonna be a straight man he makes the the slap schtik. “we’ll be back after this paws…” “11 year old with a shrp pencil vs a cat in a dark alley…” He’s great! He needs to be on the curvey couch each morning. Don’t get rid of anyone else just bring him in.

Declawing is not a simple surgery. If it was done to people it would be like cutting off the first knuckle of every finger. An alternative is deep digital flexor tendonectomy. which limits the ability to extend the claw.

I have had cats longer than I have had children. The boys grew up with cats and were never scratched by them because I taught them from the beginning how to treat animals. I have never declawed a cat and never will.

Declawing cats is like cutting off your finger at the joint it isn’t just uncomfortable or painful to have it done. It affects their balance. It removes their only way of self defense and often causes behavioral problems causing the cat to end up abandoned. They don’t normally scratch kids unless they are provoked, so teach your kids respect for the cat. They can be trained to use scratching posts and I have never had one destroy my furniture. They also have nail guards that can be put on the nails. It is illegal in many European countries and most the vets there wouldn’t do it anyway as it is considered cruel. Do some research on it.

Allsyn:

Regarding the cats. PLEASE do not encourage declawing for ANY reason. It is not just painful when it happens. It is AMPUTATION. It creates pain forever. Check out the Dr. Fox vet website (google, not sure of exact site off top of my head) and he will explain it better than I can.

If you have kids, here is a solution: do NOT get a cat. OR get a cat from a shelter who has already been declawed OR tell your kids to leave the cat alone and they won’t get scratched. The cats are hurt far more than any child receiving probably a well deserved wack.

OK–re the cat issue–> First of all to the guy that is not Peter (can’t remeber his name–so sorry!) toughen up for goodness sakes. A cat scratch is no big deal is you clean it and out a bandaid on it! Also, you can teach a cat not to scratch furniture, so there is a fallacy in your logic about having cats. Second, as long as you make sure to take the cat to get his (or her) nails cut (short of course) on a regular basis then the cat can’t scratch people. As far as the worry about “having kids”–I grew up with cats in our house and the cats weren’t declawed. Instead, and I know this may be a novel idea but I am going to say it anyway, my parents watched us when we were with the cat(s) and made sure to teach me and my sister how to treat the cat to avoid getting scratched. Ya know, don’t pull their tails, throw em across the room, carry them around under our arm like a purse…we were told “if you do that, you will get hurt.” Guess what, when I didn’t LISTEN and got scratched, I obvisouly deserved it and I learned my lesson. A cat will only scratch you to defend themselves so how about we teach people how to treat animals like cats right and then we can get rid of the barbaric declawing procedure. It is painful for them–watch a surgery of it and I guarantee you that you will want the procedure banned. Lastly, having a declawed cat can be dangerous if the cat ever got outside accidently–he/she would not be able to defend itself. So, I said ban it, FOREVER!!

Seriously the world really has lost it. Expell a kid for poking someone with a pincel… Does anyone besides me remember the teacher calling your home and you had to deal with PARENTS, I know I never did it again didn’t matter what it was.

Morning chas, carolynro; Ms Ali; everyone.

chas, most playground fights were/are mutual combat testosterone splashing and fall within the consensual area; now, if one kid was wrongfully attacked on the playground, against his will, that should be punished. Then too, general playgrounds and schools are different, because children have a statutory, and sometimes [as in California] a constitutional right to be protected on school grounds.

carolynro, I too had to decide what to do about discipline on school grounds, being a school board member, and discipline committee member later as a parent, and I agree that there needs to be more proportionality than there is now, and most zero tolerance matters need to be modified, but poking one with a sharpened pencil can have horrible and permanent downsides if the aim is wrong [or right!] that something akin to zero tolerance is appropriate, especially if the skin is broken.

GA, you don’t understand, even though it doesn’t start until 2013, they will start to tax everything in our lives just to pay for this bill. That is well know to everyone including the evil rich people that provide us with the jobs, and buy the expensive cars, and boats, and clothes in Beverly Hills etc.

Wow… Have I crossed over the ‘PC Threshold’ without even knowing it! I have three lovely cats and, apparently, stupidly and foolishly had them declawed. OMG! All three were to be exclusively inside cats and were ‘Rescues’ from the local cat anesthesizing factory (East Valley Animal Shelter), so I though I was doing good be obtaining cats that had absolutely NO chance of living for another day.
Nevertheless, I had NO IDEA ‘how’ the kindly Vet performed the surgery; I had no idea it involved the removal of a nuckle or that the cat needed the claws to exercise his little skeletal bone sequence — Who knew? Certainly not me. There was NO informational pamphlet at the Vet’s apprising cat owners of the procedure and its downsides. Why? Who knows.

Now it turns out that I’m a “bad guy” and I apologise to my sweet cats, two of whom are looking at me as I write this piece (maybe they’re trying to figure-out ‘how’ to defingernail me — God only knows what goes on in their little cat brains?)

But seriously, I love my cats and I guess I’d never declaw another… but these three are all over ten years old (one’s almost seventeen) and they’ve had happy lives…

-lucien

I’m LOVIN Peter Johnson Jr on the weekends he sure lets it all hang out unlike as much during the week

OH MAN Joe Vitale

Or just not have cats. Pretty useless animals in my book.

chas

I have worked in a veterinary hospital for 14 years. I would rather see a cat declawed and have a safe and happy home for 15-20 years; then kicked outside to live because he destroys property and hurts my children. I just declawed my 6 month old cat a week ago. It was painful for him but he is fine now and he is happily playing with the dog today

Alisyn: Question- Was any of the wounded or killed victims in the shooting between the shooter and the officer from friendly fire?

FIRE UP THE AtSS

I adopted a cat from the local humane society 2 months ago. He was not declawed. We have a leather sofa. You do the math. I couldn’t have adopted him without having him declawed. He got along just fine.

I just want to comment on the boy being expelled for poking a kid in the knee. I believe you reported the boy was being taugted by other students. Now with this political correct B.S. going on in our country , shouldn’t the taughters be expelled for bullying? Just asking.

I agree, Peter Johnson Jr was fantastic this morning. His wit was so sharp and spontaneous.

I hope everyone has a great week. Thanks for the company and the thoughts.

Ms Alisyn, good luck with your picks this week.

chas

Good morning, we are no longer allowed INDIVIUALALITY we are moving to the true “Star Trek Generation” area Resistance is Futial the BORG collective is best. Whether Health Reform/Mandated Insurance, or Zero Tolerarnce in school systems. Have you notice the only cuts in spending by all govermental (local or national) programs are in Education Primary & Secoundary; then Law Enforcement not in unesscary vehicles, tax payer paid trips to foriegn countries, taxpayer airline trips to any where?

I love ya’lls weekend program and the way ya’ll carry on true discussion with each other, Keep up the Great Job.

Dan

I agree with Crystal, Kristine, Susan, and Tammy that you don’t perform what is functionally a disfiguring and painful amputation of part of a cat’s paws to make the beast fit into your home life better. That is utterly atrocious. Some should not have a cat. Indeed, I wouldn’t want one, but that is a different issue.

Hi one question. Even if the bill passes and gets to the President doesnt the bill have to go to the supreme court to be looked at for constitutionality. Do to its been a while sence I was in school but that is how the Checks and balences work is it not.

No James, it doesn’t. Someone or some group has to file suit against the Bill before it goes to the USSC.

chas

I was lookin for you Cap when I posted Fire up the AtSS ~giggle~

I didn’t dare touch that, me!

Ok I’m out for now. see ya’s as the games progress… good luck to all with your picks

My husband and I have adopted 15 stray cats over the last 25 years. All have been declawed and lived long and happy lives in our homes. Just last week, a neighbor brought us a new kitten found under her porch, a kitten that would be sure to die in the winter or live a short and painful life on the streets. We adopted her and are now introducing her to the other 2 cats in our home. She will be declawed when she is spayed. I am a responsible pet owner who also cares for wildlife (feeding feral cats, squirrels, opossum and birds in our yard). I would fight such a law if introduced in my state.

I think anyone wanting to declaw their cat should be willing to have their fingernails yanked out… Have had many cats over the years NONE declawed.. They used a scratching post… and never ruined any furniture or scratched anyone in the house….

The passage of this health care bill and President Obama’s health care agenda should become the rallying cry of every level-headed, freedom-loving, entrepreneurially-spirited conservative in the USA during the upcoming elections. Our elected officials apparently have little if any regard for the wants, needs, and desires of those that put them into office. They need to be seriously reminded that elected officials are public SERVANTS, and not public DIRECTORS. We, the citizens of these United States, must retain a concentrated focus so “that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

*Ok so the Healthcare bill is passed. prez O + the demigods are celebrating up at the House Line dancing and everything. there is still some hope with the Senate and than to the right to the right in 2010.

*Kid with the Pencil: Just don’t do it kid -2 detentions + no candy this week!

*Cats – No, don’t declaw. Would ya like your nails pulled off + than have to go to lunch with the girls.

* Fort Hood- Tragic- but obvious- Be selective in who Serves in our Services.
there guess thts it HD!

Some people have said they cancelled their membership to AARP-I signed up last year and paid for fi

ve years-How can you cancel-???? Also I had posted an hour ago about health care-congress and to vote NO on Nov 2,2010 to those that did not listen to their consituents-It did post-now it is not there-has that ever happened to anyone????

Obama made a speech today congradulating themselves on HEALTH CARE-(GAG)-Then went on to the new election in IRAQ and all the progress IRAQ has made and more or less taking responsibility for IRAQ-remember the surge fought for by McCain and General petrayas at the time that the lefty wing loonies nicknamed General BETRAYUS-? what was responsible for the success for what Obama was taking credit for-NOT ONE WORD ON AFGHANISTAN.NOT ONE-

I never got stuck with a pencil, however we used to have rack day where you would get rapped in certain part of the body that would double you over. To this day my voice is 6 decimals too high. LOL

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal declared a state of emergency Sunday as the Gulf Coast braced for the arrival of Hurricane Ida, which was making its way across the Gulf of Mexico as a Category 2 storm.

A hurricane watch was in effect from southeastern Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle, meaning hurricane conditions were possible in the next day and a half. New Orleans was not included in the watch area.

The emergency declaration is a precaution that frees up state resources for any emergency situations. The National Guard and state agencies have been put on high alert so personnel and vehicles are available if needed.

Carolynro – how can anyone know they wouldn’t vote for Obama when they don’t know who he’s running against??? If it’s Palin he wins by a landslide!!! LOL

Bajette – how old do you have to be to join AARP?

OMG I WON THE BENGLES GAME HAAHAAA KISS THIS T HAAHAA\

NOW I need to go for Dallas (but T picked the other) but T’s Teams is Dallas even he bet againt them LOL

Hey genius, just because you’re already president doesn’t mean you automatically get to run for a second term. You still have to be nominated by your party. So, he may not get the chance to run against Palin.

Liz-if that is your sneaky way to find out how old I am-I’ve got news for you-I think you are older than the rest of us. So could you please tell me how to cancell AARP once paid for in advance.??

LMAO! Do I have to prove my age to join? If not, I will join and then try to un-join? Why did you join? Do you get discounts on insurance?

You gotta be kidding Sterling! He’s so popular right now he’s a shoe-in! You’re watching the wrong network dearie! Now he has to get on the bluedogs and “buy” Lieberman, who was FOR national healthcare a few years ago. It’s so easy to buy these stupid senators. We really need TERM LIMITS!

Did you watch SNL last night? I was out, but I heard it was good – they did “FOX” personalities! Saw a little of it. Can’t wait till it’s on youtube.

Comment by Liz
November 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Carolynro – how can anyone know they wouldn’t vote for Obama when they don’t know who he’s running against??? If it’s Palin he wins by a landslide!!! LOL
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This is how I know….
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=obama+money+youtube&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=-UP3SqPUIo-JnQfd-8ntBQ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CA4QqwQwAA#

It’s her not-so-sneaky way of insulting you, Bajette, by saying you’re old. Remember she has no respect for those older than her. She has no problem with Obungle’s death panels because she thinks anyone over 40 should die soon anyway.

I would call AARP and demand a refund. See where that gets you. After all, they are using your subscription payment to lobby for legislation that you oppose. I’d call them and or write/e-mail them every day for a bit, and see where that leads.

Comment by Liz
November 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Carolynro – how can anyone know they wouldn’t vote for Obama when they don’t know who he’s running against??? If it’s Palin he wins by a landslide!!! LOL
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This is how I know…

I have a lot of respect for “intelligent” people of all ages! I don’t like crabby oldsters who don’t care about anyone but themselves, so you got that right.

All entitlements go back into the economy, so it’s all good, and even better when it helps people who need help! You people don’t understand how the economy works. Take ECON 101.

and stop being so selfish! I’d rather see needy people get stimulus money than spend 1 trillion on the wars in the middle east!

There you have it folks, she wants anyone who doesn’t agree with her and her puppetmaster to face his death panel.

Winning more friends and accolades, every day.

My boyfriend and I are buying a house in a historic district – and we will get a grant for 25% of the SEV to fix it up! Yay! I love Obama!

The insurance companies are the ones with the death panels – not the gov’t option! Educate youself Sterling – or does your job depend on you spreading misinformatio all over the place??? Huh?

Ha, ha, from the high priestess of disinfomia herself! I can’t tell you how thrilled I am that my tax dollars are going to assist you in buying a home. Yay.

Health Care Reform
42% Support Health Care Reform After Release of Pelosi’s Version

Monday, November 02, 2009

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi introduced the House version of health care reform legislation last week, but most voters are still opposed to the effort.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 42% now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s down from 45% a week ago but unchanged from two weeks ago.

Fifty-four percent (54%) now oppose the legislative effort, up three points since last week.

Seventy-three percent (73%) of liberals support the plan, but just 18% of conservatives agree.

Only 23% of all voters Strongly Support the plan while nearly twice as man (44%) are Strongly Opposed.

http://tinyurl.com/kwqzrs

Rasmussen is the most slanted to the right poll out there. FOX is doing a good job of keeping the misinformation flowing, but in the end it won’t matter and most people will be happy with the result. Ten years out they will see the benefits. It’s not fair to let Americans die every day because they can’t afford a healthcare policy, and I don’t care if you guys think life is not fair. America can do better by its own citizens.

Sure, I feel bad for the women of the middle east, but we wouldn’t be there if they didn’t have something we need right now – oil! We have to become less dependent on their oil and find alternative forms of energy.

There are worse attrocities happening to women, children and citizens of other countries that we have no interest in – mostly in Africa. Why? Because they don’t have anything we need.

A thug by any other name…..

More ‘Work’ for the President
The Obama administration takes aim at climate scientists.

By Patrick J. Michaels

In the blame game, the Obama administration isn’t about to stop with Fox News. Instead, it’s moving on to lowly scientists.

Last month, President Obama gave a somewhat chilling, if somewhat ignored, speech on climate change at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He stated that any scientific debate about the magnitude of global warming is unscrupulous, decrying “those who . . . make cynical claims that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence when it comes to climate change, whose only purpose is to defeat or delay the change that we know is necessary.”

Then, the president talked tough, saying, “We’ll just have to deal with those people,” language familiar to anyone who knows the vagaries of Chicago politics.

http://tinyurl.com/ykxnyfo

Answer my question Sterling – does your job depend on the insurance companies coming out of this victorious?

Yeah, sure! Even Sarah Palin admits that climate change needs to be addressed. She’s seen the effects up in Alaska. Doesn’t matter how it happened, the fact remains that it is happening and we need to address it, and SOON!

I would think that carolynro would be happy about the grants – it’s “construction” work. We’ll be hiring contractors to do a lot of it. I think she’s in that business. She should find out about it and help her customers apply for some of the grants that are available. It’s creates work, thereby stimulating the economy! Get it?

The majority of people with employer-provided health insurance would not see changes. The main beneficiaries would be some 30 million people who have no coverage at work or have to buy it on their own. The legislation would create a federally regulated marketplace where they could shop for coverage.

The are several major differences between the bills.

_The House would require employers to provide coverage; the Senate does not.

_The House would pay for the coverage expansion by raising taxes on upper-income earners; the Senate uses a variety of taxes and fees, including a levy on high-cost insurance plans.

_The House plan costs about $1.2 trillion over 10 years; the Senate version is under $900 billion.

By defusing the abortion issue — at least for now — the House may have helped the long-term prospects for the bill. Catholic bishops also eager to expand society’s safety net may yet endorse the final legislation.

Lieberman appeared on “Fox News Sunday,” while Graham was CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

You’ll notice that the Senate bill wants to tax lower-income people and charge them higher fees – because the house bill would cost THEM too much. All the GOP senators are millionaires who don’t want to part with their money! LOL

HEY HOW ABOUT A GAME UPDATE!!!

Do you mind ,,,,,shut up long enough to stay on topic!!!!

Thanks Sterling- Everyone is calling her kiddo this and kiddo that-I am telling you she is older than the rest of us.-Lizzie you brought up age-I was just asking a question about AARP as alot of people say that they cancelled their membership-and since you pay in advance-I was just wondering how you cancel-haggling to get your money back-I would say good luck to that-so in the meantime they still look like they have alot of membership-moving forward however-those disenchanted like myself-I would never join again or partake of their products.
For myself I think I will become a congressperson-so that I do not have to partake of this stinky health care program-Although I doubt it will pass the senate-hopefully the fight will linger past nov 2,2010 when we then can show you and yours the majority of people taking their country BACK.
nite,nite.

Well, I don’t think they will want it back by the time the healthcare debates are all over – and they will know who did their homework and who didn’t. Eventually they are going to realize that the GOP has got nuthin for them but more of the same. With no reform, prices will keep rising and more and more people will be without insurance in 10 years, and more people will die because of it…but the insurance companies will reap the rewards, not the PEOPLE. Corporations should not and CANNOT be allowed to run this country by buying Senators! Their glory days are going to come to an end…sooner rather than later!

Liz: for a person who considers herself to be an expert on just about everything I ask how can you listen to those people who lined up for “Obama” money and be proud of how little they know except where to find the government teat? You think it is funny that these poor, marginalized people don’t have a clue where “Obama” money comes from? What happens when the money is all gone? Just answer that? What happens to them when there are no more bribes to be handed out? They will be left in the same exact place they have been left in for decades- poor, undereducated, dependent, stuck in the ghettos of our country forever. How can you be so happy to watch all of this and continue to insist that the government has the best interest of these very people all lined up for their handouts? Doesn’t this at all remind you of the soup lines of the Depression?

BTW: there are just as many, and some say more, millionaires in the democrat party. Do you have any idea how much Diane Feistein or Nancy Pelosi or John Kerry are worth?
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Liz says:
“_The House would require employers to provide coverage; the Senate does not.”

Where are the employers supposed to get the money to pay for health insurance when business is down and there is not enough work to keep the employees employed let alone buy them health insurance? Just answer that. Where…do you think there are money trees?

Small businesses would NOT be required to provide insurance – only LARGE companies. I’m not sure what the definition of LARGE would be, but I’m sure it’s a lot larger than yours. I’m thinking a large corporation, like IBM, the car companies, etc. Your employees could get their insurance through the public option. If you wanted to help them, you would be eligible for subsidies.

Yes, I know most politicians are worth a lot – the “perks” that go with lobbys over the years. The longer they are there, the more they are worth. Why do you think they never retire?

Thomas Jefferson’ warning….

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, (Attributed)
3rd president of US (1743 – 1826)

Insurance companies are corporations that grew up around the banks!

Carolynro – let’s hope they use the money wisely, but it doesn’t really matter. We know it will go back into the economy and that’s what matters. We are in a “down” cycle, but we will come out of it. We always do. We are coming out faster because of the stimulus. When the economy comes back fully, the stimulus will be paid back quickly.

It sure would be nice if the House bill could make it through the Senate, but the GOP is going to fight it all the way. Those Senators don’t want their wells to dry up. You see how they are only looking out for themselves – and their “corporations”, not their “people”!

READ ATLAS SHRUGGED!!!

OMG OUCH!!!!! GIANTS LOST!!!!

Health insurers posted a 2.2 percent profit margin last year, placing them 35th on the Fortune 500 list of top industries. And HealthSpring, the best performer in the health insurance industry, posted 5.4 percent. That’s a less profitable margin than was achieved by the makers of Tupperware, Clorox bleach and Molson and Coors beers.

The latest annual profit margins of a selection of products, services and industries: Tupperware Brands, 7.5 percent; Yahoo, 5.9 percent; Hershey, 6.1 percent; Clorox, 8.7 percent; Molson Coors Brewing, 8.1 percent; construction and farm machinery, 5 percent; Yum Brands (think KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell), 8.5 percent.

Or so says the IRS, who is probably a far right wing group…lol

Night all.

chas

Fox poll finds 94% think the House made the wrong choice in approving the health care take over.

No matter what the kool aid, left wing fringe nuts think, there is going to be a price to pay for this. Can you say ‘94?

chas

94% of what? That’s total BS! Here’s a link to the “truth” about Medicare reform. Most seniors will come out with better benefits IMMEDIATELY! Don’t listen to misinformation, because it will only mislead you! LOL

http://www.medicareadvocacy.org/Reform_09_11.05.MedicareProvisions.htm

Chuckie – do you know how to read a balance sheet? I hope so! Here’s United Healthcare’s….

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-q-unitedhealth-group-inc-2009-11-03

They are serving less customers and taking on less risk! Therefore, they are making more profit! What does that tell you? Read it and learn!

I don’t want them in charge of my healthcare – and the older I get, the less they will want me!

Chas, I find it both rather odd and hypocritical that the troll not only quotes Jefferson whom she has consistantly criticized and whose words she has repeatedly stated that we should just forget but also that she does so to condemn the banking system put into place by the “progressives” that she constantly praises.

At least I’m not a “warmonger” like you so-called Libertarians! Talk about HYPOCRISY!

I’m trying to be nice and educate you guys – but you don’t want to learn! Who will be your death panel Dog? The Humane Society?

Anyway, Jefferson had a few things right – but it’s not the Progressives who put the financial institutions in charge of the country – it was the CONSERVATIVES!!! DOH! Goldman Sachs runs the country! And they even got the swine flu vaccinations before the HOSPITALS! What does that tell you arf arf???

Chuckie – with such small profit margins, why do they pay their CEO so much???? Does that make sense??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Apparently someone has never heard of Woodrow Wilson or the Federal Reserve Act.

Then again, that would require and EDUCATION in history.

Don’t feel bad.

No one expects Homer Simpson to have one.

That’s ancient history – and it wasn’t the Progressive party of today! Conservatives have to stop looking at the ancient past. The past 10 years is OK, but beyond that it’s pretty darn stupid!

10 ways the House bill would change health care

Reuters – By David Lightman, McClatchy Newspapers – Sat Nov 7, 4:57 pm ET

WASHINGTON — These are some of the changes in the way health insurance would work in the United States if the House bill were to become law:

1. Creates a government-run plan, or “public option,” to offer insurance coverage to compete with private sector insurance companies.
2. Sets up health insurance “exchanges,” or marketplaces, where consumers can easily compare coverage and rates.
3. Requires nearly everyone to obtain health insurance coverage starting in 2013.
4. Ends blanket exemption for insurers from anti-trust laws.
5. Provides federal financial help for lower and middle income consumers so they can obtain coverage.
6. Bars insurers from denying or limiting coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
7. Bars insurers from imposing lifetime limits on coverage.
8. Expands Medicaid coverage to more people.
9. Imposes a 5.4 percent surcharge on adjusted gross incomes of more than $500,000 for individuals and $1 million for joint filers.
10. Imposes penalties on people and businesses who fail to comply with the new law.

For that matter, you don’t even know what’s happened in your own lifetime.

I found it infinately hilarious that you thought that U.S. plans to invade Afghanistan prior to 9-11 was actually news!

Slick Willy starting planning that right after the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole!

That’s common knowledge, YOU BLITHERING MORON!!!

Arrogance and money is a way of life for politicians in Washington. They are all ingratiating and corrupt. Nancy Pelosi knew exactly what the vote count would be on the Healthkiller Bill before the vote was called for. Bribe money used in Washington very freely comes from the tax payers.

The “Blue Dog Democrats” are DISINGENUOUS. Corruption continues in our government. This bill is the first step into Socialism and will continue until we vote them out of office. We must now focus on Senators with Credibility and Integrity if there are any.

Hurricane Ida, the first Atlantic hurricane to target the United States this year, plodded early Monday toward the Gulf Coast with 105 mph winds, bringing the threat of flooding and storm surges.

A hurricane warning extended more than 200 miles of coastline from Pascagoula, Miss., east to Indian Pass, Fla. Tropical storm warnings and hurricane watches are in effect across other areas of southeastern Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, including New Orleans. Louisiana’s governor declared a state of emergency.

Authorities said Ida could make landfall as early as Tuesday morning, although it was forecast to weaken by then. Officials and residents kept a close eye on the Category 2 hurricane as it approached, though there were no immediate plans for evacuations.

Dog,

What I find irritating is people who keep talking to you when they, 1. make no sense except in their own mind and 2. tell you they will no longer address you unless you address them.

chas

For someone who opines so frequently about business and economics, your ignorance of history is astounding.

“Anyway, Jefferson had a few things right – but it’s not the Progressives who put the financial institutions in charge of the country – it was the CONSERVATIVES!!! DOH! Goldman Sachs runs the country! And they even got the swine flu vaccinations before the HOSPITALS! What does that tell you arf arf???”

From your favorite research tool, Wiki:

After months of hearings, debates, votes and amendments, the proposed legislation, with 30 sections, was enacted as the Federal Reserve Act. The House, on December 22, 1913, agreed to the conference report on the Federal Reserve Act by a vote of 298 yeas to 60 nays with 76 not voting. The Senate, on December 23, 1913, agreed to it by a vote of 43 yeas to 25 nays with 27 not voting. The record shows that there were no Democrats voting “nay” in the Senate and only two in the House. The record also shows that almost all of those not voting on the bill had previously declared their intentions and were paired with members of opposite intentions.

The Conservatives had nothing to do with creating the National banking system. Woodrow Wilson pushed this dreadful legislation, and just like Obungle is pushing the dreadful health care legislation, he had a Congress full of lapdogs to help him.

As you so often say, do some research. Look it up, if you know how.

It is typical simplistic sophistry for left wingers to blame the GOP for everything. It illustrates the vapid vacancy of any intellectual honesty that the left has trademarked as a method for keeping people down and stupid instead of lifting them up and being truthful with them. And just like those poor people in Detroit think their checks that they lined up for came from “Obama’s stash”, millions of liberals chose to remain stuck in stupid.

Why on God’s green earth would any one be happy that a huge part of their constituency must be kept in a life of disadvantage? It is shameful that it is acceptable to blame banks, and insurance companies, and corporations and the republican party for all the ills of the country when it is in fact the government and democrats specifically who, through their nanny state policies, that contribute to the low life that millions of their constituents have accepted as normal and all that they can achieve.

“Yes We Can” actually translates into “No You Won’t” because victim-hood is the state of mind of many a democrat party voter. Corporations, insurance companies, the GOP and banks do not ascribe to this mentality but democrat politicians vilify anyone else in an effort to make you look anywhere but at them and what they are up to.

If you fall for it: Bad on you.

http://www.trestinmeacham.org/2009/11/federal-reserve.html

WASHINGTON — The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.

Speaking from the Rose Garden about 14 hours after the late Saturday vote, Obama urged senators to be like runners on a relay team and “take the baton and bring this effort to the finish line on behalf of the American people.”

The problem is that the Senate won’t run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.

If a government plan is part of the deal, “as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote,” said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

“The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.

Democrats did not line up to challenge him. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.

I blame the people for this melt down and we have the power to get out of it. I’ve been preaching for years and years to buy American. All I get is excuses,it’s hard,Ican’t find any , it’s to expensive,blablabla. Personaly I get paid by Joe Smith, Jane Doe and Mr. Anderson why on earth should I give my money to Hoshimotto or Juan or Yind Yang Young. I can’t fix this by myself so the next time you buy something ask yourself who pays me then do what you must. Pretty simple

“You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

Adrian Rogers, 1931

Right Carolyn but if we all bought only American everyone would have a job that wanted one. Then we could ween the bums out

I know Bruce…but unfortunately there exists an entire entitlement class which has been groomed to live off the government. No matter what is done to return our country to it’s former economic standing (Obama has ruined it for generations with mountains of crippling debt) large number of welfare junkies will never seek to be anything but government dependents. Clinton tried to wean many of them off the trough but Obama already reversed the welfare reform sponsored by those who believe that ALL Americans can be productive.
scroll up and find my video I posted yesterday morning and see the insideous nature of what this president is all about.

I think you can if we get the right people in charge of welfare then you can work for your check.

Right now being on welfare is a higher standard of living than min. wage. So we have to reverse this and not make welfare so attractive.

I gotta go finish a kitchen with my American made cabinets, bye.

Yep…you are correct. But, I look at the Native tribes that opened casinos where billions of dollars are made and where tribal members are not necessarily doing much better than in days before the billions became available to them. It will take generations, as with welfare recipients, to change the underlying “cultural” obstacles to fostering people with the self-reliance that this country was founded on. Having money does not always improve lives of those who have not learned self reliance and personal responsibility.

Good Morning from Flyover.

Some people are “A Legend In Their Own Mind!”

I think I’ll take the truck and go down to the government offices and see how much FREE stuff they are handing out today. I imagine the lines will be long, since people are already clammering for their FREE healthcare cards.

Are we forgetting that Bush made illegal aliens dependent on our Social Security checks? Are we forgetting that Bush spent us into oblivion with 2 wars he couldn’t pay for, and then cut taxes on top of that? Are we forgetting that it will take a while to straighten out this mess? Of course! We need to blame Obama!

Idiocy lives on this blog!

LMAO! Boy, you guys amuse me endlessly. I don’t understand how, at you ages, you can be so oblivious to what’s going on right under your noses!

Don’t worry Carolynro – we will have a bill very similar to the House Bill next year when we have a super majority in BOTH houses!

Have a nice day!

You are free to to agree with the war but what does that have to do with welfare dependency?

All entitlements go back into the economy?

Would that be the economy which is held back and struggles to survive because of the dependency and lack of productivity that’s encouraged by those entitlements?

Would that be the economy which ultimately collapses when the breadwinners get sick and tried of carrying the weight for all the leeches and throw in the towel?

We already see that happening in NY and CA where countless wealthy people are moving out because of the tax burden.

I urge everyone to do yourself a favor and read Atlas Shrugged.

It comes as no surprise that someone as shamelessly immoral as the troll has absolutely no problem trapping others into a perpetual cycle of poverty much less violating Exodus 20 : 15.

Comment by Liz
November 9th, 2009 at 8:40 am

Idiocy lives on this blog!
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Lizzie are you talking about yourself????

In a country where people can make more money being on welfare than by taking an honest job the idiocy lies with the people who promote the idiotic values of welfare dependency.

I seems to me that one blogger on here needs to learn the difference between personal opinion and facts. And quit trying to force their personal opinion on everybody else.

Merle, she’s definately set up camp here! LOL

Dog: Explain to me how entitlements go back into the economy—-please. What jobs do welfare recipients create? Hmmmm?

The Obama administration has admitted it is much easier just to throw entitlements and extensopns of benefits than create jobs. So, this is the plan. Just keep encouraging business to lay off people because there is more money to be made on welfare than to be employed because NO ONE IS HIRING! Oh, unless you count the limited months of work provided in grants that expire when the money is gone.

Michigan has lost over 600,000 jobs and is likely to lose another 300, 000 in 2010. How’s that Stimulus money workin for ya? The major part of the this year’s bribe is being spent to keep state employees on the payroll which just forestalls the inevitable lay offs til next year. As an employer, I am painfully aware of the dwindling tax revenues that we send in each month. As the government extends unemployment benefits, employers will have an additional tax hit to make up for all the money going to unemployment. Most of us already pay over 10% of our gross payroll contributions to the UIA and will be assessed an additional fee to refill the coffers to pay back the federal dollars borrowed by the state to pay the unemployment benefits. The penalty for us would pay for one additional employee. But, instead we will have to pay the tax hit.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29308.html

Man, the are losing women fast!

You people need to learn how the economy works. Grants, welfare, food stamps – all money that’s spent in the economy. Carolynro – find out about “green” grants. You could use that info. to help your customers get money to fund projects – and you could do the work! Use your brain! Learn how the economy works. How did you people get to this stage in your lives not knowing??? To me, it’s just common knowledge!

Hi Cat: Check this out

Comment by Liz
November 5th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

Clint, you are very opinionated and very WRONG! You can’t control what those around you think, and you are not responsible for anyone’s behavior but your own. You can voice your opinion but you can’t shove it down anyone else’s throat. The statements you made about liberals were ridiculous! You are stereotyping them, and you can’t lump everyone into some group you deem to be “immoral”. Most Democrats are responsible, compassionate Christians. They don’t believe in abortion any more than conservatives do.

Words to live by, baby!

You should learn to not try to tell what they should do. Do you have any idea how the grants work? Tons of paper work and tricks. Do you not think that our professional organizations have not researched all of this and revealed how to do it? There are so many restrictions that it is not cost effective for the customers to pay for the “green” grants. One of my suppliers already had a customer try to get the “green” windows that qualify and they suck. They are so thick and so dark that they decided to forego the “grant”. People don’t want this crap. The certified “green house” that one of our local builders built three years ago is still on the market because it costs too much for what you get in square footage.

The grant money is recycled tax dollars and is not stimulative or sustainable. New jobs created by the private sector are the only stimulative jobs that exist. You would not understand that because you exist on recycled money. All government projects come to an end. My employees have been with us for YEARS. Not 5 weeks or 5 months like most of the so-called stimulus jobs.

Yes, how did we get to this stage in our lives? Certainly not by believing every liberal lie ever uttered like you do.

What job have you ever created? Hmmmmm? Tell us how it is done.

With all that FREE money floating around, just for the taking, why should we beat ourselves up by working? But good luck getting your plumbing fixed when there are no plumbers, etc. Or your car fixed when there are no mechanics. Get used to walking!! Buses won’t run, planes won’t fly, trains won’t run. Food won’t be grown. Oops!! Probably the only WORKING people will be the politicians and lawyers, and we will have no need for either one.

All this progressive baloney is predicated on some else’s money and someone else doing the work!!!

Carolyn, I can only assume that the troll was talking about the money being spent by the bums but it’s a moot point when one considers the downsides mentioned by both you and I that detail how it’s actually an economic disaster. The excessive taxation required to pay for entitlements prevents businesses from expanding and creating new jobs as well as giving current employees higher wages and better benefits. It also diminishes their capacity to create better and more affordable products and services. In other words, THE RICH MAN SIGNS THE POOR MAN’S PAYCHECK!!! What incentive does he have to do so if the government is stealing half of his money? Why would he even bother hiring more workers?

Blaming someone else seems to be the current popular fallback. What has happened in the past is history. But if we do not understand history, then we are destined to make the same mistakes. Doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting a different outcome, is the definition of insanity.

It is utterly impossible for someone who has never employed people or suffered the business tax system to be an authority on “economics” as they relate to job creation. Believing in policies written by people who have never made a payroll, run a business, engaged with the taxation authorities is the same thing as that same person believing that can lecture others on brain surgery after watch Grey’s Anatomy. You can’t recite what others have told you and know what it is like to have hands-on experience.

Dog: that audio of the people lined up at Cobo Hall did not reveal the fraud that was perpetrated against those folks by their “neighbors”. Some one figured out how to duplicate the application and sold them to the idiots in line who stood there for hours and then found out that they’d been “had”. Some smart welfare crook jacked them by selling 6500 applications and made a fortune off their stupidity.

Comment by Liz
November 9th, 2009 at 9:14 am

You people need to learn how the economy works. Grants, welfare, food stamps – all money that’s spent in the economy.

If this is true, Michigan, which has the highest unemployment in the nation, a distinction shared only with Nevada, should be rolling in the good times. The food stamps and unemployment benefits and grants are not making Michigan prosperous. Grant money and food stamps and unemployment and welfare benefits spent is the same thing as believing you are paying off credit card by transferring the debt to a different credit card. The problem still exists, we just feel better thinking we are helping folks.

Any true patriot would tell Uncle Sam to take a hike and let WE THE PEOPLE take care of ourselves and each other.

Any true patriot would tell Uncle Sam to take a hike and let WE THE PEOPLE take care of ourselves and each other.

Double post again?

Well, maybe it needed to be repeated.

But, Dog..we might hurt someone’s feelings by trying to teach them of their own value and abilities and responsibilities!

Carolyn, how dare you utter such heretical blasphemy!

Personal responsibility is a concept reserved for far right ultra conservative fringers!

We musn’t dare offend the hypocrisy of selfish moochers!

Ha!

So, not only were you conned into having semi-famous con man and shyster Joe Vitale on your show–he had NOTHING to do with creating “The Secret” by the way; he was just one of several dozen people who were interviewed for the program by someone else–he then THANKS you by violating FOX’s copyright and putting a clip up on his YouTube account.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiFELvLQfbs

Yeah, that’s the sort of exploitative creep you’re promoting. Good luck with that!

Help is on the way Carolynro – unless your GOP buds decide to stall it…..

Saturday, Congress took a great step forward to passing the most critical and historic legislation ever affecting small businesses across America. Small businesses, have been called the backbone of our economy, but we have been breaking under the weight of private health insurance costs. With the passage of HR 3962, with its robust exchange and national public option that will give small businesses choice and bargaining power, we can now say help is on the way.

Too bad you still can’t figure out how the economy works! Hey, did you see the stock market climb today? GOBAMA! I made so much in the market today – I’m very happy tonight!

What do animals know anyway – especially DOGS! ARF ARF

Hey DOG – what will your cure for cancer be? Can you do chemo in your basement?

When you are taking care of all your sick neighbors – have you thought about a caterer? I know a good one!

CNBC did interviews with several companies tonight that are hiring bigtime! DId anyone catch it? Hope so – everyone who is looking for a job.

Ulrich Sauff and his wife stared at the mammoth domino pieces marking the path where the Berlin Wall once stood and reminisced about life in the barrier’s shadow.

The Sauffs were among those who gathered Monday to celebrate 20 years of unity, marking the day the wall came down. Thousands cheered as 1,000 colorfully decorated dominoes along a mile-long route were toppled to symbolize both the moment the wall came crashing down and the resulting fall of communist governments in Eastern Europe.

It was the finale to a day of memorial services, speeches and events that attracted leaders from around the world, including former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

Here are this weeks results:

Alisyn: 0 – 4

D ave: 1 – 3

R ick: 1 – 3

C layton: 1 – 3

Which makes the standings:

1. Alisyn: 22 – 14

2. D ave: 20 – 16

2. R ick: 20 – 16

4. C layton: 19 – 17

Things are beginning to tighten up.

chas

I h a t e to be the one to tell you this, but the GOP has officially split – they have spun off the “Tea Party”, that is now registered in Florida. That means they will really have a hard time holding onto their seats with the “teabag” candidates that willl be springing up all over the place.

And – Rupert Murdoch has officially condoned Beck’s assertion that Obama is r a c i s t. Unreal.

You guys as so OVER. Can you hear that steamroller?

I’m sure most of you will now be joining the Tea Party, right? LOL

Please mention to your listeners that Obama did get his bi-partisen vote on health care, but it was on the “NO” vote side of the issue. Kudo’s for succeeding in his goal!!! Good job

Wow tough week for picks!

Sal… We are for real! But so is Cincy, they are scarring me..LOL It’s gonna be a good weekend! .. hopefully, c u then..;-)

Liz did you find the SNL skit you were looking for? here it is .. it is hysterical. http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/snl-spoofs-fox-news-2009-elections-end-era

The Tea Party people are Tea Party people not GOP not Dem. Just people feed up with big gov,liars,cheats ,back room deals etc etc etc. I know I belong to mine in my area.

My football picks
NY Giants over San Diego…lost
Baltimore over Cincinnati…lost
Dallas over Philly…won
Pittsburgh over Denver…won
2-2 today
wk 1..2-2
wk 2..1-3
wk 3..3-1
wk 4..4-0
wk 5..3-1
wk 6..3-1
wk 7..4-0
wk 8..2-2
wk 9..2-2
24-12… for the year.

Morning Bruce.

Hi Sal, I don’t get into the NFL,if I did my job as poorly as most of these profesionals I’d starve to death

This health care bill won’t survive the Senate–at least I hope it doesn’t. The senators, if they have any brains at all, will gaze upon those elections in New Jersey and Virginia and say, “NO WAY!” I don’t care what anyone says. When two states, both of which went Dumbocratic in the ‘08 election, both went Republican and one (New Jersey) is a liberal (Dumbocratic) state, it MEANS SOMETHING. Liz heard the SPIN by Axelrod and others that was spun on MSNBC and other liberal propaganda sites, and now she repeats them. The truth is simply too distasteful for poor Liz to swallow. If the United States of America wants to remain the most powerful country in the world economically (except for China, of course) they need to kick Obungle and his liberal, socialist, Dumbocrats out of office.
Now that Obungle has been placating the terrorists, they have repaid his generosity and dumbness by slaughtering 13 of our soldiers in Texas. Now, I see he’s spinning this tragedy, telling us not to jump to conclusions. And of course most of us are not. But it’s time that he acknowledged that although not all Muslims are terrorists (Believe me, the liberals have reminded us of that fact ad nauseum) many of them ARE. If it takes profiling to protect our citizens, so be it.. Political correctness is killing us LITERALLY now. And, we can blame the LIBERALS for political correctness, can we not? CLINT was RIGHT Liz. By the way, Liz. Did you miss me?

Again, although WE ALL know that not all Muslims are terrorists, it would ameliorate some of the suspicion and paranoia many Americans are feeling toward people of the Muslim faith, if Muslims would publically and resoundingly REJECT this kind of behavior that extremists of the Muslim religion practice. If Muslim Americans are so opposed to the actions of Al Queda and others who kill Americans in the name of Allah, WHY ARE THEY SO SILENT?
This fanatic in Texas apparently has ties to Al Queda (as revealed by ABC News, Liz–not Fox). Yet the FIRST thing we hear from our “PRESIDENT” is “…don’t jump to conclusions”. What a liberal, ding-a-ling!

The insurance companies just got 37 million new customers – they should be very happy. The public option is not as big as it should be and poses no threat to them. If the GOP senators don’t accept this bill, they’re crazy. Their biggest contributors just got a LOT richer with the passing of this House bill. Dummys.

Governors have nothing to do with Washington blogger – what planet are you on? The Dems. won the congressional seats and they are going to win a lot more next year – along with lots of senate seats.

Why are you talking to me about Muslims? I have not commented on that at all. It’s too early to know what happened there. I don’t think the military should accept Muslims because it’s a wild card – hard to ask them to fight Muslims. I also think we should be careful with the Muslim population of this country, and not let it get out of hand – although the US policy is to accept refugees from countries we “invade” – like we shouldn’t do!

Thanks lori – that was sooooooo funny – and so accurate!

2010 = 1994

WATCH AND SEE!!!

Bruce, will you help destroy the GOP by voting for your Tea Party candidate? I hope so! Thanks!

Dog, do you thin kthe Tea Party will sweep next year? Yeah, that’s the ticket!

I don’t recall mentioning a party.

Are you now seeing things that aren’t there as well as hearing them?

You should REALLY see a shrink!

2012 = 1980

WATCH AND SEE!!!

Americans will stand together and defend our country.

From NBC Chicago:

Obama’s Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting
A bad week for Democrats compounded by an awful moment for Barack Obama.
“…Updated 2:56 PM CST, Fri, Nov 6, 2009

President Obama didn’t wait long after Tuesday’s devastating elections to give critics another reason to question his leadership, but this time the subject matter was more grim than a pair of governorships.

After news broke out of the shooting at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas, the nation watched in horror as the toll of dead and injured climbed. The White House was notified immediately and by late afternoon, word went out that the president would speak about the incident prior to a previously scheduled appearance. At about 5 p.m., cable stations went to the president. The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.

But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior’s Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a “shout-out” to “Dr. Joe Medicine Crow — that Congressional Medal of Honor winner.” Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. Who is advising him?….

And Dr. Joe Medicine Crow we awarded the Freedom medal …not the CMH!!! Was Obummer having a “Biden Moment?”

Hey Liz, did you see the unemplotyment rate go up above 10 percent. I don’t know about you, but I’m not feeling very STIMULATED.

Morning Lori, Pittsburgh will beat Cincinnati next week, if they play like last night..
Good Morning Carolyn, Olinl,Dog.

Good Morning Just Another Blogger.

You haven’t commented about Muslims; but you’ve done a lot of commenting about Obungle and his INFALLIBILITY (according to you) ! Let’s hear you deny that Obama isn’t running interference for the Muslims . . .AGAIN! When September 11 occurred, liberals broke their necks and fell over themselves to tell us all that we shouldn’t blame ALL Muslims. We got the message then. We know that not all Muslims are the same, just as not all Christians are the same. However, if Obama and all the other liberal dingbats in this country had been nearly as dilligent about searching for terrorists and KILLING them as they were about DEFENDING the group that not only produces more of these killers than any other but is, at the same time, sitting on their azzes with their mouths shut while their Muslim “brothers” kill Americans, we would possibly not be mourning the deaths of 13 American soldiers today. If we can’t ask Muslims to fight Muslims, why should they be Americans? Americans fought Christians during World War II (Or at least that was the Germans’ PROFESSED faith). Are you telling me that it’s unfair to demand that American Muslims fight against foreign Muslims who are killing American citizens? If they can’t fight against ANY ememy that kills Americans, they should have their citizenship REVOKED.

Carolyn, you are absolutely right. It is typical of the Dumbocrats to blame others, specifically Bush and the Republican Party. They won’t be able to blame all the damage that Obama has done on Republicans in 2010 or 2012. The Republican Party has stood staunchly against the “stimulus” bill, the omnibus, the health care bill … ALL OF IT. They were wise in doing so, because the American people, for the most part, are getting uneasy about all Obungle is doing. Just wait until next year at election time. Let’s see who the AMERICAN PEOPLE blame. Do you think they’ll blame Bush? LOL!

Hi JAB: As I navigate around my community I hear no cheers for Obama where last year at this time all we heard was: “Obama will save us!”. All I hear are the shop owners who are desperate as business is so bad- especially tourism related and retail business. I just returned from the hair salon and a woman who bitterly supported Obama against criticism several of us leveled against him sat in silence while the rest of us compared notes on the economy and the state of our businesses. She said not one word in defense as she had just 4 months ago. People who actually have companies and cannot pay their bills because no one is walking through their doors are a more accurate barometer of what is going on than is MSNBC or CNN. We are the backbone of the country and as our revenue dwindles so does the ability of anyone with on ounce of economic savvy to say that anything Ospendourfutureintooblivion has been of a long-term stimulative nature. Government is capable only of re-arranging the deck chairs while the ship continues to sink. I saw a poll today that said that 58% of Americans think the next president is likely to be a republican. Only 28% say it will be a democrat. The ACORN inspired democrats of the 08 election stayed home from the polls last week by the droves. That tells me that only the weak minded do not see what is going on.

Olin, what would the MSM say if Bush #43 made that gaff….

Well, Frank….Obummer has gotten away with “murder” compared to Bush.

I want to give a shout out to New Mexico State Representative Harry Teague for voting NO on the healtcare reform bill of Nancy Pelosi’s. He demonstrated strength, courage and that he is really listening to his constituants. That’s a yes vote for Harry Teague and a no vote for Nancy Pelosi.

Check out the latest Facebook polls, there are a lot of Obama questions and on every one the results are against Obama. Seems even the Facebook crowd that Obama catered to in his campaign have CHANGED their minds about Obama’s CHANGE. lol

Thanks Fox and Friends, I love your show!

Are you crazy? Obama has more “friends” on facebook than anyone! LMAO!

President Signs Bill to Ensure Veterans Receive Quality Care
H.R. 1016- Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act of 2009

Over the last 22 years, 19 Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) budgets were passed late, forcing the VA to stop hiring and limit the scheduling of future appointments due to funding uncertainty. These delays are inexcusable as they cause our heroes who served to be confronted with additional holdups and lower quality services when they attempt to access the care that our nation has promised them. That is why I was a proud cosponsor of H.R. 1016, The Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act of 2009, which President Obama recently signed into law. H.R. 1016 ensures that the VA will have its budget appropriated a full year ahead of time, which will allow veterans to see fewer delays for treatments and increased quality of care.

Blogger, I don’t really get much of what you talk about – I guess it’s your way of communicating – but I’m not sure if I understood this correctly….

Hey Liz, did you see the unemplotyment rate go up above 10 percent. I don’t know about you, but I’m not feeling very STIMULATED.

I think this is a problem that maybe MetalGirl could help you with! Ask her!

When you see those polls – post links to them!!! Otherwise, it’s just hearsay!

Unlike the opinions, oops I mean polls that you reference without links. That’s gospel, heh?

I think it is obvious that wisdom has not been wasted on the young!!

LiZ-Obama and the VA-In February fresh out of the presidency box-Obama tried to cut the VA HEALTH CARE BENEFITS-Obama and gang(Pelosi et al) tried to cut and have the veterans pay for their health care-(remember that people) the VA slammed them-fought back hard-the issue was dropped fast and the VA also won new and betther benefits for their veterans including better education-where their education and housing is paid for as they go along without waiting for payment-The administration does not fool with them any longer that is why they did not delay their budget.THE VA became stronger than ever – GOD BLESS THEM

Sorry, I don’t believe that for a minute – must be FOX BS. Bush was giving them sub-prime care – and I felt especially bad for the amputees. Their hospitals were falling apart before he finally fixed them. Nice guy – send them into your “own” war and don’t give them proper care when they are maimed. After 60 Minutes exposed it, they got funding real fast. Now they have excellent care!

I always post my polls – but this is the only good one because it uses averages….

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

and I’ve posted it many times! How often do you post yours? NEVER!

If anyone is interested – this is what the last admin. did for Veterans…..

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/05/25/loc_VAhealthcare.html

CREEPS!

THE VA hospitals had been falling apart since the late 1970 under that other beauty Carter-the Viet Vets not only came home to an unwelcome-they came home to roach and rat infested va hospitals-during PRESIDENT REGANS admin-they started to come under better care-through Clinton and then both Bushs-Sixty Minutes exposes what they want to expose and will show only their view of things.THAT’S why we have FOX news-FAIR AND BALANCED.
As for my original statment-that is not BS that was big news-as a matter of fact I first heard it on MSNBC-with Chris Mathews.

The truth shall set you free-in some cases (LIZZIE) The truth shall chase her away-Nite,Nite.

March 12, 2009

Hope/Change!!! Obama Adminstration Wants To Make Wounded Veterans Use Private Insurance
This comes as no suprise.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance[...]

Eleven of the most prominent veterans organizations have been lobbying Congress to oppose the idea. In the letter sent last week to the president, the groups warned that the idea “is wholly unacceptable and a total abrogation of our government’s moral and legal responsibility to the men and women who have sacrificed so much.”

So much for overhauling the VA and improving health care for our wounded warriors.

To know so much but know so little – would be funny if not so sad.

Microsoft’s newest computer operating system has survived its first few weeks on the market without needing any security fixes.

Microsoft Corp. plugged several security holes Tuesday, but none are aimed at Windows 7, which was released Oct. 22.

That’s to be expected, said Ben Greenbaum, a researcher at the antivirus software company Symantec Corp. “Attackers will take more time to figure out ways of breaking into Windows 7,” he said.

Computer users can get the patches through Microsoft’s automatic-update service, or by visiting microsoft.com/security.

Harley Dee/Sterling – that’s all BS! Post a link to that article. Obama has been in favor of taking good care of veterans from the beginning. The conservatives are the money-grubbers, not the progressives!

BTW, you should be happy. The house bill that passed last weekend is great for insurance companies! Have you noticed how the commercials against the bill have suddenly stopped? They better overhaul it in the Senate, or we are all toast! The public option has to be available to more people. Well, it was a start anyway.

You don’t want to believe it, so it didn’t happen? It was all over the news, your boy trying to dis our soldiers. Do some research. Here, I’ll help you out a little:

http://tinyurl.com/dftsvm

Liz, fyi. Tea Party groups do not have or back candidates that way we can not be labeled with a party.
The 1 I’m in is only 35% Rep. A lot of uemployed steel workers and coal miners mostly dems and realy ticked off.So you might be laughing out of the other side of your mouth soon.

Happy Veterans day, God bless our Military. Thank you for your service past and present

Good Morning Sterling, Bruce,
Happy Veterans Day America.

Enjoy your day Sal. It’s just a great day to be alive, Later Buddy

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10 (see trends).

Poll of LIKELY voters where others used registered voters in their polls which makes other polls less accurate.

Real Clear Politics poll averages all the polls which shows that an average of 55.8 of those polled believe the country is on the wrong track and that Obama has a just a +8 rating and Congress has a -42.0 job approval. This is why Obama is allowing congress to do his dirty work…he thinks people are dumb enough to not connect the congress with him. BTW…congressional democrats have just 8/10th of one percent (.8) better approval over republicans.

But…all the polls show a weekly decline in the job approval for Obama.

HarleeDee-thank you for supporting my statement with the CNN washington artlcle-Liz how much more prood do you need-and it has nothing to do with money-but to deteriorate the moral of our troops and GOD BLESS the VA-NOT UNDER THEIR WATCH-and then they made sure the received other educational benefits better than ever.
As for the insurance industry they need corrections not destruction-this HEALTH CARE CONFORM BILL will destroy a whole industry.

http://urbangrounds.com/2009/03/obama-vs-veterans/

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/03/veterans_groups.html

Sterling, your links go nowhere. Even supposing it was true, what was Bush’s excuse, or doesn’t that matter? Who is your boy Sterling?

The polls show his popularity going down because he is not butting heads together on the healthcare issue!

The PEOPLE want reform, not PROFITS for CORPORATIONS! Of course, that’s what you all want!

Murdoch is a c r e e p – creeps me out!

Liz – you bestow much honor on me when you suggest that I am Sterling. I’m sorry to disappoint you but not everyone that decides to chime in is Sterling. Unfortunately for you there are other people that read this blog that do not agree with you. I do not wish to quarrel with you since it would be futile to do so. You should really work on your people skills. I admit you do have a lot to contend with here due to the fact you are out-numbered and you are in way over your head. These people are serious about what they post and you are so flippant and disrespectful. Maybe you should have concentrated on the issues before you helped to elect the celebrity in chief. You surely would fare better here if you had done your homework in advance. I can understand how frustated you appear to be and how hard it is to scramble and come up with substantial information to support your celebrity in chief. Especially since there is so little out there for you to pull from. One word that does come to mind when reading your posts – rattled.

Once again, I am flattered that you would accuse me of being Sterling. That is a compliment to me and that is something you seem to have a lot of trouble with – doling out compliments – of course unless they agree with you.

America lets not lose focus on what happened at Fort Hood,
yes the Military should of done something about Hasan, but it is what it is..a terrorist attack on our soil…and we need to look into this terrorist and who he is connected with,
that’s what this is all about….. not who knew what about this person or what the Military knew about him…. and we can be sure there was and is an on going investigation into his connections overseas and here at home.

Comment by Liz
November 11th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Sterling, your links go nowhere. Even supposing it was true, what was Bush’s excuse, or doesn’t that matter? Who is your boy Sterling?

What the heck are you talking about? Did you take your meds today? This comment doesn’t even make sense. The link works, whether you like what it says or not. Bush had absolutely NOTHING to do with Obungle trying to screw the Vets out of their federal coverage. It’s a matter of fact.

HarleyDee…well stated and much appreciated comments. Thank you for your evaluation.

HOW DO YOU LIKE HAVING A PRESIDENT WHO TARGETS PRIVATE CITIZENS?

October 16, 2009
Limbaugh Targeted By Obama Official
Joseph Ashby

The plot thickens on the media’s character-lynching of Rush Limbaugh. Of the four stories run on ESPN.com about Limbaugh’s bid for the Rams (October 6, October 12, October 15, and another October 15) none of them mention that NFL Players Association Executive Director DeMaurice Smith served as counsel to Attorney General Eric Holder and was a member of Barack Obama’s transition team.

AND HERE IS THE NEW YORK LAW FIRM THAT ALTERED WIKIPEDIA TO RUIN CONSERVATIVES:
for the Wikipedia Libelist
Ralph Alter

Thanks to an intrepid blogger with the tag Trapdoc posting a letter to Mark Steyn, the search for the Wikipedia Libelist responsible for damaging posts to the Rush Limbaugh account apparently has been narrowed to the IP address of a New York City law firm:
“The quotes were added by a user with the IP address of 69.64.213.146. This address has been used mostly to make changes to the article about Rush, but also Karl Rove, Sean Hannity,.. James Dobson and Sara Palin from 2005 until earlier this year.
“While others have noted this in various forums, no one seems to have made the connection that this IP address is used as a gateway by the law firm Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP (see here, for example) that all users from that IP address come from the pbwt.com domain.)”

Harley Dee, thank you so much for your kind words. They are not deserved, I’m sure, but much appreciated all the same.

So glad to meet you. Hope to see you more often.

I shall take first KUDOS with statement 9;32 Nov 10 that first opened up that particular can of peas-I do thank HarleyDee and Sterling and Carolynro for digging into the matter with much gusto-and coming up with Facts and Links-yes,Lizzie FACTS AND LINKS-
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND VETS ON THIS DAY AND EVERY DAY that gives and protect our freedoms and yes yours too LIZZIE.

Generic Congressional Ballot
Republicans Jump to Six-Point Lead on Generic Ballot
Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Republican candidates have stretched their lead over Democrats to six points in the Generic Congressional Ballot.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 43% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 37% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent. Republicans have held the lead for over four months now.

Voters not affiliated with either party continue to heavily favor Republicans, 43% to 20%.

You WISH! LMAO! Because the party is going to split, they are toast!

Sorry, I don’t have time to read all the posts so if I don’t answer all your dribble – that’s why! lol

Wikipedia usually has links to all “quotes” – so they can’t be made up!

I’m so glad that you love yourself Sterling – and you new alter ego Harley! LOL What kind of HOG do you have anyway?

BUSH’s medical care of the Vets was HORRIBLE! What’s his excuse? And…..if my boy (Obama) is NOT your boy, then who is Sterling???? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION?

Harley/Sterling – I will NEVER respect H-A-T-E-R-S! Sorry – maybe you like them, but I don’t! You all need to look at how you come across – VERY NEGATIVE about almost EVERYTHING! Take a look, and be objective!

An objective liberal view? LMAO

Happy Veteran’s Day to all veterans.

I see the Commander in Chief is taking his cool ride out of town again without a decision on Afghanistan…Guess when teh going gets tough…the tough go out of town….

You show yourself to be a hat er and a fool everyday. Of course I understand the question, you blithering child. The original statment was not in reference to Bush, but specifically to Obungle’s actions and statements in March of this year. I know that you’ve been baptised in the pool of Kool-Aid, but try to understand the question before you spout off your ridiculous answers.

Let me see if I got this straight, she doesn’t like h a t e r s, but she h a t e s, people from the south, older people, people without a college education, GW Bush, republicans, and fox news. Did I miss anything?

Cat you forgot the nice friendly folks on Alisyns blog and christains.

Health care for veterans has been more difficult and expensive because soldiers and marines that used to die in theater are now saved by advanced technology. More soldiers with severe wounds live now and require extensive recovery periods than they did during Viet Nam, Korea, and the World Wars. Thus the increased cost and a system unable to keep up with the demand. Hmmmm, kind of how our private system is headed if Obamacare passes.

Wikipedia can be hacked and was hacked by a person who’s IP address was linked to someone who decided it was cool to destroy the reputations of conservatives as did the man who is the President of the Players Association who decided to use his influence to destroy Rush’s opportunity to participate in a private enterprise by attributing fabricated racial statements to Rush. He is an Obama acolyte and at the very least worked in the Obama transition team in Eric Holder’s office.

If you are proud of this type of behavior on behalf of destroying racial relations and the reputations of innocent private citizens by agents of the Obama administration, then no wonder you are right at home with Organizing for America and the Obama administration.

You call people who hold opinions you don’t share NEGATIVE. Well if telling the truth about Obama is negative, then so be it. I am proud to be for truth and the protection of freedoms and the rights of private citizens and I am against the criminal enterprises of a bunch of power hungry socialists.

http://bit.ly/I8Qui

Hey, Cat. You forgot rednecks, and pro lifers.

You can’t include BIGOTS, ’cause that would include her!!

The GOP is dead….what a joke:

The Gallup survey, conducted Nov. 5-8, found that 48 percent of respondents said they would vote for a Republican candidate for Congress, while 44 percent said they would back a Democrat.

Independent voters were decidedly stronger in their preference for a Republican candidate, choosing the GOP by a 22 percent margin — 52 to 30 percent — according to the survey.

Oh wait, I guess Gallup is a right wing based poll.

Have a nice evening.

chas

I want to say a thank you to all veterans today. and every day. God bless.

I don’t h-a-t-e anyone, but I dislike H-A-T-E-R-S, like you people. I’m trying to understand you, and I know you grew up in a different time and a much more violent society than we have today — you didn’t have the protections we had today so you had to “shift for yourselves” a lot more than I have. I’m trying to allow for that. When you get older, it’s harder to change! But CHANGE is usually good.

And you’re so wrong about Republicans – nobody I know can stand them anymore! They are HISTORY, so get used to it. I guess time will have to prove it to you!

FOX will make you think the GOP is “all the rage”, but I’m sorry to say they are the only network saying that! Surf around sometime!

The Rupert Murdoch interview was shown on most of the other networks yesterday – and he did NOT get good reviews from anyone! He’s quite the nutcase! He might even be worse than Beck, if that’s possible!

I grew up in a different time?

OK, so you are a teenager then, huh?

Clueless as usual. It’s not about Republicans. You want to keep labeling people in order to marginalize them. Most people don’t think that way. Kinda sad, really, but VERY scary.

No, I’m 27, but you guys are over 50 – and I KNOW that!

The GOP couldn’t care less about “WE THE PEOPLE” – but they do care about their own pocketbooks!

There’s no question that the Republicans’ bill is cheaper because it does so little to help the uninsured. According to the Congressional Budget Office, it would provide $61 billion over 10 years to expand coverage, compared with more than $1 trillion in the Democrats’ bill.

That paltry effort, the budget office estimates, would extend coverage to a few million people who would otherwise be uninsured in 2019, leaving 52 million citizens and legal residents below Medicare age without coverage or about 17 percent of that population, right where it is today. This is a dismaying abdication of responsibility.

The Republican bill is an amalgam of market-oriented and state-based reforms that conservatives have long proposed, including enhancement of tax-sheltered accounts to help pay premiums and allowing people to buy insurance in other states that might permit skimpier benefits than their home state.

It has some good provisions, such as prohibiting insurers from imposing annual or lifetime caps on what they will pay and automatic enrollment of workers in employer-sponsored group coverage. But it would not prevent insurers from denying coverage or charging higher premiums based on pre-existing conditions.

What party do you belong to Sterling, the “Tea Party”? If so, what are you doing here on a FOX blog. FOX is the mouthpiece for the GOP! Can’t you find a blog more suited to your views?

Polls are skewered and not very dependable at all – the WH has their own way of polling.

I’m only 30!

I’ve noted that before!

Does my handle sound like that of someone who’s over 50?

How old do you think I look?

http://twitter.com/DogOnCrack

BTW, not everyone here is over 50 and I KNOW THAT!

Yes indeed, the WH has their own way of skewering the polls, and skewing their own.

To all those who have served our Nation in the Armed Forces

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU RICHLY.

JUST ANOTHER DUMBASS OBSERVATION FROM THE BACK OF THE TURNIP TRUCK

I ALWAYS THOUGHT A SHISH KABOB WAS SKEWERED!!

Comment by Sterling
November 11th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

Yes indeed, the WH has their own way of skewering the polls, and skewing their own
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The proper term is spinning Sterling. They don’t “skew” polls, they just make chit up and pass it off as truth.

The historical fact is that this Country always corrects it’s self over time, for the most part. There is not now nor will there ever be a permanent majority, nor will there be a 3rd party that is viable. The rules are stacked against it.

Democrats will get kicked out for over spending, just as the GOP was over the last 2 elections. Anyone that thinks otherwise simply doesn’t know what they are talking about or has ever really read any History.

chas

A skewed poll is when the MSM polls 60% Dems, 30% independents and 10% Repubs.

Fair Polls are balanced, according to registration numbers.

No one with a thread of sense believes the skewed polls, and when the fair polls show unbalanced numbers, one way or the other, someone is in deep doodoo.

I like the Black Caucus school of economics. You print money and put it into the system. That money runs around and eventually gets back to the government to send around again. What they don’t take into account is the money that winds up in foreign hands for oil, clothing and all the cheap Chinese chit at Walmart. Only a small percentage is recirculated. The balance has to be new money from the printing presses.

Olin,

The way I hear it is that the Government has to take something from someone before it can give something to someone.

chas

Comment by Liz
November 11th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

What party do you belong to Sterling, the “Tea Party”? If so, what are you doing here on a FOX blog. FOX is the mouthpiece for the GOP! Can’t you find a blog more suited to your views?

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Why are you here then, can’t you find a blog more suited to your views? Just to spread “misinformation” and cause trouble?

IGreen Bean Casserole

ngredients
For the topping:

2 medium onions, thinly sliced
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
2 tablespoons panko bread crumbs
1 teaspoon kosher salt
Nonstick cooking spray
For beans and sauce:
nocoupons
2 tablespoons plus 1 teaspoon kosher salt, divided
1 pound fresh green beans, rinsed, trimmed and halved
2 tablespoons unsalted butter
12 ounces mushrooms, trimmed and cut into 1/2-inch pieces
1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
2 cloves garlic, minced
1/4 teaspoon freshly ground nutmeg
2 tablespoons all-purpose flour
1 cup chicken broth
1 cup half-and-half

Fox, Lies and Videotape…..

All the Fox shows (Hannity, Beck, etc.) were using footage from the Sept. rally in Washington and passing it off as Bachmann’s rally – only a few hundred showed up for that one! Jon Stewart exposed them! LMAO!

I am sick to death of that green bean casserole – anyone got something different???

I’ve been eating that stuff since I was a kid!

I knew you were going to ask me that Sterling (I’m such a mind reader), when you KNOW why I’m here! Doh! Is your mind that feeble? How old are you?

I asked you who you leader is? If you don’t have one, who would you like it to be? Answer truthfully! Don’t be scared!

This is the stupidest statement ever on this blog…..

The way I hear it is that the Government has to take something from someone before it can give something to someone.

nothing could be further from the truth!

I like the BUSH school of economics. You print money and put it into the system. That money runs around and eventually gets back to the government to send around again.

Yes DOG – I thought you were an old hippie! That pic looks 25 years old! How old is it?

and most polls show Republicans at 20-25% – mostly white, rich men and only 5-10% female!

Hey Olin,

Tell me, where does the Government get the money to give away if not from others?

What does the Government produce to earn income?

Amazing how dumb people can be isn’t it?

chas

Yeah, they had Palin stickers and shirts that mocked Obuttmonkey 25 years ago!

Brilliant observation!

Chas, the government has MANY sources of income! Take economics – I can’t begin to explain it to you, but you really do need an education before you spew stuff like that. Don’t embarrass yourself!

World’s most powerful people list came out today…..

Top 25

Barack Obama
Hu Jintao
Vladimir Putin
Ben S. Bernanke
Sergey Brin and Larry Page
Carlos Slim Helu
Rupert Murdoch
Michael T. Duke
Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud
William Gates III
Pope Benedict XVI
Silvio Berlusconi
Jeffery R. Immelt
Warren Buffett
Angela Merkel
Laurence D. Fink
Hillary Clinton
Lloyd C. Blankfein
Li Changchun
Michael Bloomberg
Timothy Geithner
Rex W. Tillerson
Li Ka-shing
Kim Jong Il
Jean-Claude Trichet

U.S. President Barack Obama emerged, unanimously, as the world’s most powerful person, and by a wide margin. But there were a number of surprises. Former President George W. Bush didn’t come close to making the final cut, while his predecessor in the Oval Office, Bill Clinton, ranks 31st, ahead of a number of sitting heads of government.

Actually, when you compare the United States to other countries, the U.S. taxpayer has a fairly low burden. Of the 30 member countries in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), the United States levies one of the lowest tax burdens on its citizens, bested only by Korea and Mexico. The U.S., with a tax burden of 25.5 percent of the Gross Domestic Product, ranks well below the average of 35.9 percent and the majority of Europe where taxes average up to 50 percent. A majority of revenue comes from individual income tax and payroll taxes such as those levied for Social Security and Medicare. It was not always so.

Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the authority to “lay Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States.” This power was the first and most important given to the new central government in 1789 because many of the states were struggling to pay off debts incurred during the Revolution. In return for relieving the debt—and thereby reducing the likelihood that the lending countries might invade and slice up the newly united states, the central government assumed responsibility not only for debts but also for the common interests of all of the states.

The ability to tax was crucial to the survival of the new union, allowing it to finance government and its services (like a central bank and armies), negotiate with foreign countries as an equal (as in the Louisiana Purchase) and to raise armies to defend itself against invasion (War of 1812) and insurrection (Civil War).

Until 1913, this was done primarily by raising tariffs, import and export taxes, special-duty taxes and assessments. The adoption of the 16th Amendment added a “progressive” income tax, based on ability to pay, to fund federal government. After 1950, this tax and the payroll taxes attached to the Social Security program, founded in the 1930s, provided the majority of federal revenue. With the addition of the Medicare payroll tax in 1964, payroll taxes became the second-largest source of revenue for the national government. U.S. payroll taxes are matched by employers at a slightly lower percentage (13 percent compared to an average of 17) than other OECD countries. In addition to income and payroll taxes, which together make up about 80 percent of the money the government has to spend, another 15 percent comes from corporate income taxes (a drop from over 30 percent in 1950). The remaining 5 percent of government revenue comes from excise and other taxes and from investments, either by citizens (as in savings bonds) or from other countries.

Have you no sense of shame whatsoever?

Does it no occur to you that you just made a complete idiot out of yourself for all the world to see?

I bet Pelosi is pizzed at not being on that list, along with George Soros!!

Here’s a link to the Forbes article…

http://www.forbes.com/

How did I make a fool out of myself? Of course taxes are a huge part of the gov’t’s income, but they also make money from investments – which at one time was a lot more – and they cut taxes because of their good investments. But then they decided to ruin the economy. Too bad.

Comment by Liz
November 11th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

This is the stupidest statement ever on this blog…..

The way I hear it is that the Government has to take something from someone before it can give something to someone.

nothing could be further from the truth!

What the what are you talking about? Are you really this naive? God Lord, girl! Nothing could be further from the truth? From where in the hell do you think government gets its money? It gets it from me and you, sister. Government ABSOLUTELY takes from one in order to give to another! And you’re here everyday telling others to study economics? Good God Almighty!!

You, me, corporations, and investments! Everyone has their tax bracket – and they pay their fair share! What are you complaining about exactly? Are you and chuckie complaining about the same thing? Do you think it’s not fair to pay taxes? I don’t understand you people! What is your beef?

The majority of revenue comes from individual income tax and payroll taxes such as those levied for Social Security and Medicare.

I don’t think my tax dollars should go to fund a war! Do you think I can get a refund? LOL

I do think corporate taxes should be higher! In 1950 they accounted for 30% of the gov’t money, and today it’s only 15% – and they have all kinds of “loopholes” thanks to the last admin.

The remaining 5 percent of government revenue comes from excise and other taxes and from investments, either by citizens (as in savings bonds) or from other countries.

You have made a complete ass out of yourself tonight! Thanks for the entertainment. NO ONE pays their fair share of taxes, you insipid fool. Folks on welfare pay no taxes. Middle class pays for all their goodies. The “wealthy” pay for our jobs, plus extra taxes because they’re “wealthy.” I’ve asked you this before, and never gotten an answer, don’t expect one now, either, but I’ll ask again: How many poor folks out there are providing jobs? Anyone? Anyone? How many poor people provide jobs?

Fair Tax. Fair Tax. Fair Tax. Fair Tax. Fair Tax.

Once again, I must protest.

I really, really get tired of some moron that “doesn’t” read my post and will not address me, continuing to do so.

I especially resent someone presenting personal opinion of the Constitution that has no idea what-so-ever what the meaning of it was when it was written.

The 16th Amendment changed the meaning of the Republic when it changed this essential part of the Constitution; “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers.

If they were half as smart as they thought they were, they might qualify as a half wit.

Good night all.

chas

Do you h a t e poor people Sterling? What do you have against them? Would you rather be spending trillions on two wars that we don’t need to be fighting than help out a single mom with kids? That’s disgusting and sick! Most people in this country do NOT think like you. No one gets welfare checks anymore. They might get food stamps and rent subsidies if they can’t work for some reason, but the welfare system has been changed quite a bit. The economy is not the best at the moment, in case you haven’t noticed. I think our top priority should be our citizens and their healthcare, not terrorists who pose no threat to us. That’s just my opinion.

As for you chuckie – if you had half a wit I wouldn’t waste my time on you! You have never said one relevant thing on this blog – except football scores!

The government’s investments used to make a lot more than 5 percent. I’m not sure that figure is accurate now. I copied that from an older article.

You never answered my question! Who is your “boy” or “girl” leader?????

Would you rather live in Europe and pay MORE in taxes? It’s the only continent comparable to the US in lifestyle – except Canada – but you wouldn’t like it there because they have nationalized healthcare! What other choices do you have? Why don’t you and DOG buy yourselves a private island where you can live tax-free together? Send a postcard every now and then! LOL

I need more info. about the fair tax – but it won’t likely happen. I just watched an interview with Scozzafarva (the GOP candidate in NY23 who quit for the conservative candidate who lost) LOL She says the GOP is purging itself of independent thinkers and problem solvers. They want “puppets” they can control and this is going to lead them right into obscurity. She thinks the party will die. She’s so much smarter than Hoffman – HUGE difference in speaking ability. Oh well – her seat goes to a Democrat.

A group of doctors overseeing Nidal Malik Hasan’s medical training discussed concerns about his overly zealous religious views and strange behavior months before the Army major was accused of a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, that left 13 dead and 29 wounded.

Doctors and staff overseeing Hasan’s training viewed him at times as belligerent, defensive and argumentative in his frequent discussions of his Muslim faith, a military official familiar with several group discussions about Hasan said. The official was not authorized to speak publicly about the meetings and spoke on condition of anonymity.

The concerns about Hasan’s performance and religious views were shared with other military officials considering his assignment after he finished his medical training, and the consensus was to send the 39-year-old psychiatrist to Fort Hood, the official said.

Fox News’ Sean Hannity responded to Jon Stewart Wednesday evening after the Daily Show host called out the network for using old footage from a larger September 12, 2009 “Tea Party’ protest to illustrate a much smaller health care rally on Capitol Hill last week.

Speaking directly to the camera, Hannity said that it pained him to admit it, but Stewart was correct.

“And although it pains me to say this, Jon Stewart, Comedy Central, he was right. Now on his program last night, he mentioned that we had played some inccorect video on this program last week while talking about the Republican health care rally on Capitol Hill. He was correct, we screwed up. we aired some video of a rally in september along with a video from the actual event. It was an inadverdent mistake, but a mistake none the less. So, Mr. Stewart, you were right. We apologize. But by the way, we wanna thank you and all your writers for watching.”

Where DOES the government get it’s money….hmmmm…..”Obama’s stash?”
October 9, 2009
Where Do State and Local Governments Get Their Tax Revenue?
by Gerald Prante
Fiscal Fact No. 194
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/25301.html

Bush economics? Hmmmm another thing Obama has copied. And then put the practice on steroids.

I would ask for a tuition refund if I had spent good money for a Big Ten edumacation and came out so bereft of knowledge!

I have never said that I h ate poor people. And I never said that we shouldn’t help out our fellow citizens. I just don’t think that the government should be able to determine who I help. I want the government out of my life.

Why do you h ate rich people? Why do you h ate anyone? You are a funny little fascist, aren’t you?

The government spends trillions on welfare and billions on wars. Gosh, do some research. Again – you should get a refund on your tuition or at least sue them for negligence.

Between 8-10 TRILLION has been spent since 1964 on the “WAR ON POVERTY”.http://www.akdart.com/poverty.html

915.1 BILLION has been spent on Iraq and Afghanistan through FY 2009
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO START CHARGING YOU TUITION IF YOU REFUSE TO RESEARCH BEFORE COMMENTING ON ISSUES REQUIRING STATS TO BACK UP YOUR POSTS.

At least Hannity admits when he is wrong as opposed to liberals who never correct the record.

Would you put people who lose their jobs in the streets Carolynro? I bet you would! The money spent on the two wars Bush started would have helped lots of them….especially after he wrecked the economy. GET A CLUE! GET AN EDUCATION!

Hannity put that video on to fool people – who are you kidding?

Well, who do you think you are that you can make that decision? YOU are NOBODY! This country is about compromise and working together. I don’t h ate anyone, but I think everyone should pay their fair share. Some rich people don’t mind – like Geraldo – he’s admitted that he wants to share and says he should pay more. Most rich people don’t want to share, and that’s WRONG! If you think that’s RIGHT, then justify it! Do you think Glenn Beck is worth millions? I DON’T. To me, he ain’t worth s*it!! Let him pay!

Like I said, go live on a desert island – or CANADA! LOL

Hey check this out from Pew Research:

Partisanship and Cable News

30 Oct 09 -Republican viewers have migrated increasingly to Fox News but Democrats comprise a larger share of the Fox News audience than Republicans do of CNN’s audience.

And this:
Searching For Clues in the Global Warming Puzzle

October 27, 2009
A recent Pew Research survey showing a sharp decline in the proportion of the public saying there is solid evidence of global warming has triggered considerable speculation about why these views are changing.

Sterling & Carolynro – would you like to see our country turn into Mexico? because that’s what you are suggesting. If the GOP had their way, they would obliterate the middle class. We would have an upper class with endless amounts of money that they don’t have to share, and we’d have people living in the streets. That’s not the kind of country I want to live in. I don’t think you do either!

I’d say the evidence is pretty solid – and so would Sarah Palin! You are an idiot if you dispute global warming. The polar bears are dying off – there’s no ice left up there! It’s a FACT – as evidenced by the fast rate that the ice caps are melting. Go ahead and bury your head in the sand. You’re nuts – the evidence is very obvious!

An angry little fascist to boot.

Your desire to punish people you don’t like through taxation ls astonishing….you have no idea how much Beck or Hannity and Rush give to charity. How much does Olbermann make? What does he donate. Or are you only interested in punishing conservatives? You don’t know these people and the foundations they have created or contribute to above and beyond the usurptation of their income through taxes.

Who do you think makes the dizzying endowments to U of M? Street people?

The polar bear population is larger than ever. But, again just throwing things out with out research is your MO.
* A report for the World Wide Fund for Nature shows that polar bears, which are warm-blooded, have grown in numbers where temperature has increased, and have become fewer where temperature has fallen. [1] ScienceDaily: Federal Polar Bear Research Critically Flawed, Forecasting Expert Asserts

ScienceDaily (May 10, 2008) — Research done by the U.S. Department of the Interior to determine if global warming threatens the polar bear population is so flawed that it cannot be used to justify listing the polar bear as an endangered species, according to a study being published later this year in Interfaces, a journal of the Institute for Operations Research and the Management Sciences.

I am absolutely SOMEBODY, and I’m the one working and earning my money and it’s my prerogative to give it away as I choose, not some bureaucrat in the government. If the liberals have their way, we’ll all be on welfare. Beholden to the state for our existence. No thank you. They have no incentive to create jobs when they can wield power by controlling all of us by taxing the successful in order to keep the rest of the citizens on the government teat. Give me back my money and let me decide who I want to help.

From the Pittsburg Tribune:

“…Before we go any farther, I want to talk about the current polar bear population. Did you know there are five times as many polar bears today than there were 30 years ago? It’s true. From the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

Fortunately, both for policy and the polar bears, the plight of this one population does not reflect the population trend as a whole. Indeed, since the 1970s — all while the world was warming – polar bear numbers increased dramatically from around 5,000 to as many as 25,000 today (higher than at anytime in the 20th century). And historically, polar bears have thrived in temperatures even warmer than at present – during the medieval warm period 1000 years ago and during the Holocene Climate Optimum between 5,000 and 9,000 years ago.”

In addition, the earth has not warmed one single degree since 1992.

Sterling:

She DOES have all the inaccurate liberal talking points down pat, doesn’t she? What a loser….

Global warming…Climate change…is a Scam people…they[government] are investing taxpayer money….in companies… that they are investing in.

Yes, Sal…Gore is taking millions from this SCAM. But, only republicans are evil despite the fact that democrats like Harry Reid, who has made a killing on backdoor land schemes that his position in congress has afforded him access to.

I gotta go….work calls!

How do you all feel about Obama’s cowardly comments about the tragedy in Texas? Liz wouldn’t comment except for a sad attempt at a joke. I guess she didn’t have anything she COULD say.

Would anyone really care JAB?

chas

OK Liz…I am sorry I called you a loser but honestly, seeing what you post is like watching a two-year old try to put a square peg into a round hole. It is exasperating and I cannot help but reach over and try to show you the correct place to put that square peg. You scream and holler back and you are still not able to make the thing work. I guess the smart thing is to just walk away and let you hammer it out for yourself and hope that eventually you will get all the cognitive skills and experience you need in order to string logic together and discard the stuff that doesn’t fit. I can’t bear watching you rolling around on the floor in a rage trying to make sense of your feelings…and trying to change facts to suit your rage. Good luck.

What is wrong with this picture?

The Obummer administration is contemplating using TARP funds (borrowed money) to pay down debt.
I thought we were already doing that every year with an unbalanced budget! And I don’t see a net reduction in the debt!

It’s like trying to teach a concept – some people just don’t get it – but I’m hoping that you will eventually! I know that all of you are selfish by nature, so I’m trying to compensate for that, and hopefully help you over come it! Wishful thinking, I know!

I don’t believe Obama does anything cowardly. Bush did enough of that for a century! Why do you think he won the peace prize???

Uh, I don’t think so….

“it’s my prerogative to give it away as I choose”

you HAVE to pay taxes if you live in this country…..and you elect officials to decide what to do with it. I gulped hard while Bush was spending my money on his wars, but I had to live with it. I even voted for him, so I couldn’t complain…and neither can you! You were happy bombing the middle east, I know, but I thought it was a cowardly way to settle a score that had nothing to do with IRAQ!

Well, Keith donated $10,000 to a charity when Mancow got waterboarded! As for the other, I doubt they give to charity – they sure don’t talk about it, do they? NO! No GOP spokespeople do!

Carolynro – post a link showing that the polar bear population is getting larger! Thanks!

I did comment on Obama’s statement about Fort Hood! Too bad you missed it blogger – I thought you were here all day!

Now that we have a tragedy on our hands (the one in Texas, at Ft. Hood), I wonder if we’ll learn anything about the dangers of being too politically correct. I don’t think the liberal media has learned anything.

Well I wasn’t here all day yesterday-I scanned through yesterdays comments-Lizzie as usual you were flying all over the place-many,many comments from you-However yesterday was VERTERANS DAY-i and most bloggers here that I could tell Thanked our VETS AND TROOPS on this solem day-I may be remiss and give you the benefit of the doubt-DID YOU Thank our Vets and Troops yesterday-or were you too busy spewing your ususal garbage-I will apologize in advance if you did.

The 3rd coldest October in history and we’re nuts if we doubt global warming. It’s a hoax. When you grow up you will realize that.

Polar Bears on Thin Ice, Not Really!

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba551/

It’s tiresome that you keep referring to these wars as Bush’s wars. Yes, we all know that the wars were initiated under Bush, however, Mr. Obungle is now the commander-in-chief and owns these wars. It would be nice if not only he would get off his fence and make a decision, but if his faithful flock would also start holding him responsible for the decisions and actions, or in his case, lack thereof, of these wars. I remember also that the platform upon which he ran last year included pacifying his anti-war followers by saying he would get us out of these wars. Why hasn’t he, and more importantly, why haven’t his Kool-Aid drinkers complained about it? God knows they can’t stop complaining about Bush.

As I once told Greg Gutfeld on the Dennis Miller radio show, “global warming is a total load of crap concocted by the left as a tool to create global socialism. Total BS!”

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/?p=572

I see that Obummer is going to have a JOBS summit in December. If he invites the same idiots that are drafting current economic policy, then don’t look for any meaningful changes or improvements in the job market.

I imagine that the 10.2% unemployed are tickled pink that they must wait at least another month befroe Obummer gets any input on the unemployment situation. If Afghanistan is an indicator, we may know what his plan is by next summer!!!

Take heart all you that are unemployed. HOPE and CHANGE are on the way!!!

None of us will have to worry about a job when socialism finally takes root in America. The regular guy will finally rule. There will be no more rich v. poor. We will all be equal. That is all Mr. Obama wants. Let’s not engage in fear. There is nothing to fear (unless you happen to be a CEO who got his money by stealing from the masses). I still believe Liz believes in my message. She just doesn’t know it. Or, possibly, she doesn’t want to acknowledge it. But it doesn’t matter. We will all benefit, including working people who have been duped into believing in capitalism. Believe me, all of you will join Liz and me in thanking our president for advancing the cause of socialism. Power to the people!

And how will this work for you IndyJoe? What job do you plan to hold?

Capitalism went terribly wrong IndyJoe. We just have to reign it in to prevent the financial institutions from stealing from the masses ever again. I think Obama can do it. One thing is for sure, they cannot be allowed to profit from the healthcare (or lack thereof) of the American people, because that is WRONG! We need to establish “non-profit” insurance companies again – like Blue Cross once was! Administrative costs are expected, but NOT excessive profits. Excess profits should be paid back to the policyholders, and should not be made by DENYING benefits!

DOG, you are definitely on crack today!!! LMAO! What a fool you are!

Sterling, I have to give Obama credit for taking on Bush’s wars – what a mess! On top of that he has to put up with all the right wingnuts criticizing every move he makes.

Ignorant lazya$$e$ beware!!!

http://www.talkstreamlive.com/listen.aspx?s=4002

IndyJoe, slowly put down the bong and back away!

We don’t want anyone to get hurt here!

Ah there you are Lizzie-I have been waiting for my answer-did you thank and bless our troops and vets yesterday? just in case it slipped your mind as you may have been very busy with all your dribble-you can do so now-forget all our different objections-you can’t possible object to that.or can you? As for all your socialistic dribble-I hope you and this admin does not see the light-get a clue so that Nov 2,2010 will be a huge landslide to bring our country back.

A fool?

Uh, NO!

This is a FOOL to put it mildly!

Comment by Liz
November 11th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Yes DOG – I thought you were an old hippie! That pic looks 25 years old! How old is it?

Yes, I’m aware that you can’t blame Obungle. That’s the problem; you refuse to hold him accountable for anything negative, but completely responsible for anything positive. And you didn’t answer the question. Where’s all the anti-war sentiment for Ofencesitter?

IndyJoe…can you advise me on the best type of rice cooker to use in my hut? I heard Fidel finally settled on allowing new rice cookers to be sold to the masses to make them think he cares about them having more modern cooking method.
Castro opts for steam power
* Associated Press
* The Guardian, Thursday 10 March 2005 00.00 GMT

Pressure cookers and rice steamers, essential tools in Cuban kitchens, are the weapons in Fidel Castro’s latest battle to reassert control over the nation’s economy, while keeping the island’s home cooks happy.
During an unusually optimistic 5-hour speech broadcast live on Tuesday night on state television, President Castro announced that 100,000 new pressure cookers would be distributed for sale at government-subsidised prices every month from April, underscoring his move toward greater political and economic centralism

Personally, I am looking forward to the soup lines. I won’t have to cook or do dishes any more.

And just think how much we will save when we have to live in our 21′ trailer! It will be hard to find a place to dump the toilet tank but heck it will be worth it to not own anything anymore or to have to pay taxes.

Once again, that right wing organization the IRS says: Health insurance profit margins typically run about 6 percent, give or take a point or two.

The latest annual profit margins of a selection of products, services and industries: Tupperware Brands, 7.5 percent; Yahoo, 5.9 percent; Hershey, 6.1 percent; Clorox, 8.7 percent; Molson Coors Brewing, 8.1 percent; construction and farm machinery, 5 percent; Yum Brands (think KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell), 8.5 percent.

You can drink the vodka laced kool aid, or admit reality, none of this has anything to do with coverage or profits, it’s about power and control.

Tyranny often comes in the guise of “help”

chas

Chas: I was also researching that profit thing this afternoon and found some in some states health insurance company profits are hovering right around 3% because of all the job losses. This perfectly illustrates Obama’s grand plan to bankrupt the private companies so that all of us are forced into a national system

Go Chas!! Go Dog!! Go Carolynro!! Go Mr. Sterling!!

Keep the faith and keep up the fight!!

What’s that show? Survivor? Out smart, out play, out live? Eventually even the most ardent fan of Obankruptus will feel the heat of the rotten economy. Gracious, even the Housewives of Orange County are having trouble keeping their mansions!

Out last…thats it…

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/New-poll-GOP-passes-Dems-in-congressional-preference-ballot-69747052.html

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/does_obama_think_tea_party_activists_are_on_the_same_level_as_islamic_radic/

“Emergency powers are granted to the President in times of natural disaster, war or after events like the 9/11 attacks,” Barrasso said. “The President should not have the power to pick winners and losers in our already struggling economy. The result will be tens of thousands of jobs lost, higher energy prices and no environmental benefit to show for it.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56997

When people who voted for Obama in 2008 — including registered Democrats — start speaking in normal conversational voices at dinner parties, neighborhood gatherings and PTA meetings that the over-inflated ego from Chicago has it “in for America,” then it’s clear most reasonable people have reached the same conclusion.

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/11/11/the-man-who-despises-america

Go Joe!!

“I have no other choice, I’ve got to use the right I have as a senator to stop something that I think is going to be terrible for our future, which is the public option, not health care reform. I want to vote for health care reform.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56948

A Democrat who gets the problem, and who’s not afraid to say so.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/10/warner-obama-misplayed-health-care-debate/print/

The U.S. House of Presumptuous Meddlers
By John Stossel

As an American, I am embarrassed that the U.S. House of Representatives has 220 members who actually believe the government can successfully centrally plan the medical and insurance industries.

I’m embarrassed that my representatives think that government can subsidize the consumption of medical care without increasing the budget deficit or interfering with free choice.

It’s a triumph of mindless wishful thinking over logic and experience.

The 1,990-page bill is breathtaking in its bone-headed audacity. The notion that a small group of politicians can know enough to design something so complex and so personal is astounding. That they were advised by “experts” means nothing since no one is expert enough to do that. There are too many tradeoffs faced by unique individuals with infinitely varying needs.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/11/the_us_house_of_presumptuous_meddlers_99099.html

Good morning Alisyn,

I’ve got a question about the Health Care bill.
One of the provisions to pay for this Bill is to tax the Cadillac Health Plans that already exist.
Does that include the House of Representative’s Cadillac Health Care program?

Let me know if someone has the answer.

Thanks,

Jay

Jay,

You are kidding right?…lol

Maybe not, but since you can’t get Congress to pay regular taxes do you really believe that they will include their plan in that group?

I’m half kidding, not making fun of you. I fail to see where Congress ever passes laws that also apply to them, so I not only doubt that they will be part of the “public option”, but that they will pay for the high end health care they enjoy.

chas

Yes…those of us who were paying attention and are not falling all over this guy because he is a good speechify-er knew all of this and our predictions are coming true. We saw it coming and here it is

I wish I could work like these guys. I could go bid a job make it low enough to make sure I get it and then when I’m done I could say it cost thousands more than I figured and the customers would say ok here you are. yea right

This could prove interesting!

http://bit.ly/2NiMSt

Here you are Sterling….I hope this answers your question. You never answer mine! This is a letter from the troops over there now to Obama…wordpress won’t let me post the link.

Dear President Obama,

News reports indicate that you plan to send between 34,000 and 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan.
We urge you to reconsider this decision.

Expanding the war in Afghanistan will make Americans less safe, not more so.

Less than 100 members of Al Qaeda remain in Afghanistan. The Karzai government we once supported is controlled by warlords and is riddled with corruption. Pakistan’s stability will be gravely imperiled by an expansion of the war. Hundreds if not thousands of troops will be killed, along with countless civilians. Anti-American sentiment throughout the Muslim world will be inflamed by civilian bloodshed, facilitating recruitment by terrorist organizations.

The war will cost billions of dollars when we can least afford it, and will stymie your domestic agenda.
The cost of sustaining a military force in Afghanistan is $1 million per soldier per year – that’s close to $100 billion dollars annually with the troop increase. With the economy in shambles, the deficits generated by these enormous costs will compromise your domestic legislative agenda both fiscally and politically.
The United States has no vital interest in Afghanistan. If you choose to further escalate troop levels in Afghanistan, you will be making the biggest mistake of your presidency.

Please reject General McChrystal’s troop requests and begin the process of exiting U.S. forces from Afghanistan.

POWER AND CONTROL FREAKS – Chas and Sterling! I wish I could understand more about it – but I just can’t get into Glenn Beck! Is there anyone else you take your marching orders from?

To me you’re so “out there” – but I guess it’s ok to dream about your “perfect world”. It certainly isn’t anyone else’s idea of a perfect world, and thank goodness it will never come to pass. I just wish I understood it better, but I wonder if it really can be understood. I try to decipher it from the innuendo you post here, but it’s not easy. Who, besides Glenn Beck (who can’t explain anything) could explain it better than you two??? I really want to learn exactly what it is you want from your government!!!