Good morning Ms Alisyn,

Glad you got to start a little bit later this morning.

chas

Good morning Alisyn and all Thank you for using my slogan this morning. I think this Dr has something t5o hide. He seems to have a shady past. No need to shop for the best husband as my wife already has him LOL

Good Morning Ali !!

I would just like to comment on the shopping for a husband,,,,, Make SURE there is an Exchange & refund policy

Good morning Alisyn and all. I already have a wonderful husband, thank you. No shopping necessary after 41 years.
Great dress again today, Alisyn.

I heard that John & one of the funny ones too, good for you!

I think it is rather premature to be talking about what to do with the Doctor until we actually have a cause of death, wouldn’t you think?

As far as I know Eileen isn’t looking for a husband….. At least I hope not.

chas

Chas your Eileen dont need a new one she has you &after she got you the store went out of biz

Good morning, Alisyn and everyone.

It seems to me that celebrities shop around for doctors who will do what they’re told. Doctors with questionable ethics oblige them.

Thank you Eileen.

chas

Whether you loved Michael Jackson or not, you can’t help but mourn the talent that was lost, the end of a tormented but genious man and the loss of a father to their children. While I was never a “fan” I was an admirer of the skill this man was blessed with. I pity the loss of his childhood and normalcy. May God bless him and his children.

My wife just told me she be willing to look at a trade in. This is news to me as I thought she had the best already. LOL

hi ali,
your amw experience kicks in instinctively-
everyone was shocked,saddened,but not surprised that this happened-
you get a supreme rush performing-the narcotics help maintain that euphoria-
be sure and give equal time on how to find a good wife too-

Ha John ask her if she shopped at the irregular dept I think I met her on that isle

I heard Governor Ritter of CO was on a 2-day bike trip in Summit County. Not in the office.

I think she’s disappointed at the low price shes been offeredLOL

Good morning Alisyn,
I am up, finally!!! If MJ’s doc has done something illegal, then he needs to be investigated for this, and the full force of the law should come down on him. But, right now I have my cupa, and am glad to be right here with this lovely group of citizens, and you.

We can only hope our Ohio gov dissappears. and stays AWOL

I’m not married as of yet BUT does that mean I have T on rental LOL

Alisyn,
I have a great hubby too, so am not looking either!

I was thinking the same thing about Maryland’s Gov, John.

chas

If there was viable malpractice in or around the time of death, then perhaps the physician should bear some accountability. But as for the rest of it, only Jackson is to blame for where he ended up. Its really no different for me, I may not remember going to bed last night……..but I sure remember that first highball in the pool around 5:30 yesterday.

John…I would have to agree with that for sure. Our governor is a bit wonting in all areas, but one is not surprised at all.

Good morning everyone.
I believe we need to let the investation inot MJ’s death run its course, and then determine what, if any actions should be taken against the doctor or others in his circle.

Our Kansas governor moved into the President’s cabinet and is now diligently working to ruin our health care. Oh, and I just heard that she will be on Fox News Sunday today. Her replacement???? He gave a speech after he was sworn in and haven’t seen him since.

I really get tired of the Government thinking they have the right to just take over the life of a private individual, as in the case of Jon and Kate.

Ever hear of the concept of limited Government?

chas

James >I’m waiting till 9 am but it’s a Bloody Mary Morning for me

Good morning,

I am very ashamed to admit I thought Michael Jackson was being dramatic with another illness to take focus off Cap and Trade for Obama.

This shows how untrusting I am for the administration that is in office. I have lost my mind from anger.

I am saddened for MJ’s family and true friends and fans. I am sorry for my throughts.

Good morning boys and girls, I was caught in the twilight zone this morning, I guess

Finding a husband goodness it took me years to lose the one I HAD!!!

Good morning Ali, glad you could sleep til almost noon and lounge around eating bon bons in bed, must be nice.

In regards to whats his name’s doctor only investigators in the medical field would be able to answer that question and no thanks on a hubby, been there done that and I’m quite comfortable with the lifestyle I am now living.

Jeez nobody does any couch potato shopping any more. I’m dissappointed

Ha! Is he NICE to his mom!!! hum??? That says volumes abt a man.

Sure they do John. It’s called on line.

chas

Hot Sexy mororcycle guy is a trend?hummmmmm How long do trends last anyway? LOL T will be happy to know he is a trendy guy afterall LMAO

Dianne,
Good morning…I am afraid I fell into the same trap. The first thing I said to the kids when they told me, was that it was a pub stunt. We are all in agreement abt that one thing. He was indeed, a tortured soul.

Dianne, because of the auto mess the steel mill in my area laid off everyone last month. The only industry left in WV is coal and gas. If this bill passes in the Senate I guess we can close them to. I can live in the city of WV.

Good point Chas. Wasn’t thinking. I wonder if they would buy it if I posed as Brad Pitt?

OK TAKE3

H ot S exy motorcycle guy is a trend? hummmmmm how long do trends last anyway LOL T will be happy to know he is trendy after all LMBO

Morning to you all. Shopping for a husband–Have a friend who say’s sure she would only if they had separate homes & could live across the street or next door to each other!!

Good Morning, Ms Ali, and Gang.

The most disgusting thing about the Jackson affair for me is this verbal diarrhea from this Oxman character, who claims to be an attorney both for Michael and for the family, about Jackson’s problems, about what he told him and them about it, and about what he told them he would broadcast to the world if they did not do certain things about the problem! Are you kidding me???/! Attorneys are supposed to protect their clients confidences and secrets at all costs; it is more than merely not revealing attorney-client communications, but is a duty to protect [and obviously not exploit!] all confidences, secrets, advice, thoughts about your client, etc. This man has undermined a sacred and essential component of attorneys’ duties and he should be shunned and drummed out of the profession!

Morning Cap.

Maybe he has a book deal already?

chas

Colleen, How about seperate bedrooms one in the the the other in the doghouse. Enough about my love life Hows everyone this morning? LOL

OMG see I aksed yesterday about those kids!!! WHY if everyone knew about his drug problems was NO ONE doing something about getting those kids out of that house!! It was going to be hard enough to be a jackson kid now he seen his dad die of DRUGS

If I was on drugs my kids would have been takin away in a heartbeat but MJ’s kids were with him till drugs stopped his heart!!! THATS THE STORY IN THIS !! Kids who are in drug addict’s care!!!

good morning all—it will be a short morning as we are going whitewater rafting today—

Husbands—well, I traded up and am blissfully happy. Have a friendly relationship with my ex and my son is so much better off because we choose and are able to get along.

MJ’s doc—Gotta see what the toxicology reports say—the results will probably not surprise me—if this guy is a cardiologist, God help us, cuz if I recall correctly, it was reported he was doing CPR on the bed—Highly ineffectual–just sayin’ ya know!!

Hello Cap long time no see! were you on a case?

True Me. And yet Jon and Kate might lose theirs because they are on TV?

Seems priorities are way out of whack here.

chas

Chas,
Not this admin. Apparently they absolutely intend to run the show, and everyone can just deal with it. An alarming and scary scenario, for sure. And now the kid, and the mom chged with neglect over her over weight child. Where were they, in that case, when he weighed a few pounds less? This is INSANE!!!! lol I can’t even speak to this, as I am so OUTRAGED by the concept of it all.

Gini and BruceWV,

I checked on the Cable News Ratings list this morning and CNN had a huge surge in ratings. The country is more interested in the news that deals with other things besides politics. I guess most people have decided it isn’t worth knowing what our government is doing to the country. Those people will wake up one day and ask what happened to our freedom. They will be totally clueless.

Good Morning Alisyn and to everyone on the blog this morning.

I thought I heard Judge Napalitano say on Fox that the lawyer can say anything that he wants and client confidences are “out the window” whenever a person dies. So that is not true? Just wondering.

this fat kid story too look at how outraged of the kid being fat Ali just said DSS should take the kid from the care but NOONE does anything about the abuse in hollywood kids!!!

Good morning A Wall…sounds like you have a fabulous day planned! lol
Eileen…guess if you have MONEY, Children Services isn’t interested at all, whether there is neglect or abuse, hum?

What if a parent refused to feed their children, and they were under weight? Should the government step in then
Just saying that in some cases government intervention is necessary.

I am very happy to say that our representative voted no on this cap and trade bill and he is a democrat. He did vote yes on the stimulus and omnibus bill tho’! So I guess he is still short on my vote.

Children are Children Abuse is ABUSE

I think the government is far too involved in our lives. And now, they are, according to the new climate bill, telling us what we have to put in our homes for energy.

Duty calls. But I’ll bounce in and out.

chas

wow this got me good! My heart goes out to the children all the children rich & poor!!! no one deserves to see a parent on drugs let alone witness the death!!!

guess it’s 9oclock somewhere

Dianne,
One is certainly afraid that is the case, but then I come here, and I listen to my kids, and then I am persuaded perhaps that isn’t the case at all. Citizens were persuaded by this very artful man, and the money behind him is pretty huge, but all that said, I am encouraged to believe that things will “change” in 2010, when we get to vote again. Hopefully, as said b/4, those who did not vote before, will come out and vote this time. A foolish mentality, I think, to decide to “boycott” the election!!!!! And those that were persuaded, will decide this isn’t the “change” they had in mind either. lol

Me, that is exactly what I mean, abuse in any manor needs to be dealt with before it is too late. Besides, Obama will take care of this mothers health care concerns when we pass the new health care laws later this year.

Hi, chas, me. Been on the run a lot, some on cases some on family – the latter more important.

I am troubled about this obese kid that, but I am never excited about bloating [pardon metaphor] the intrusiveness of CPS by giving them this sort of duty. I do not buy the mom’s lame rationalization. I recall noting one of my boys getting a bit fleshy many, many years ago, I wagged my finger and raised my voice [the only discipline I have ever needed], and proclaimed that such was to stop, then and there, and no one would like it if I had to get further involved in the subject. It did, and he became a toned karate black belt, and conscientious about his eating. You merely need to be a parent, not ask for government invasiveness. The mom needs parental training; the kid does not need governmental stewardship.

If you are shopping for a husband, be careful how you bait the trap. The rat may just steal the cheese.

We have a good governor and attorney general here in Oklahoma. Good judges in McAlester. Child rapist gt less than a year. The attorney general and governor doesn’t have time to mess with it. The Attorney General is going to run for governor at next election. Start making the political commercials now.

on the abuse subject these kids are going to live with the grandparents correct? well how can that be when the Jackson father was in trouble for molestation years back ??? will these kids now have to go through this abuse too? we will be hearing alot from the twisted Jackson children in the future,,, sadley

Gini, we have a cult not far from were I live, The children have no say they are born into it. I’ve always been curious if anyone from the state ever checked them out. Same with the Ammish.

Good morning Ron,
I suggest jail is not the solution for the over weight boy’s mom. That’s a bit extreme, as a remedy. Perhaps a helpful hand, would be a better solution. Of course, I think it is undue interference to suggest that she should be chged with anything, and put in jail.

Gini,

I hope you are right. When c-span was airing the Cap and Trade (little 3 hour debate), my whole neighborhood (who was home at the time) was outside. I doubt very much they even realized they were going to vote that night. I wonder how many actually knew there was even a Cap and Trade bill at all.

I hope there are enough of us that are paying attention.

Liz K. it is good to hear your from Kansas. I graduated from Pittsburg State University when I was 49. Worked for Labette Co. SRS until age 55 as child abuse investigator. If it was not for my grandson I would move back to Kansas. I think at least in my corner it was a good place to live.

Funny John.
Has anyone thought of this idea concerning MJ—I did—. First he had a interest in all that have passed @ a early age from drugs who were famous, That he would die @ a early age & that it could happen to him, He was heavily in debt, His name has been through the mud, losing every thing he ever had,had that new tour coming up & obviously he was in terrible health & probably couldn’t do the concerts in the condition he was in. So what if this was his way of going out? His family would have money again, and his name would be in all the news&headlines again,he would immortalized for ever now & be on the list he was so interested in. So was this accident or his finale way of being on the top again?

Gini,
I agree jail for his mother is not the way to go, intervention, and training to help both of them before it is too late.

Mary writes: I thought I heard Judge Napalitano say on Fox that the lawyer can say anything that he wants and client confidences are “out the window” whenever a person dies. So that is not true? Just wondering.
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If he did, he is wrong, particularly for California attorneys. We have a duty regarding communications, and separately regarding secrets and confidences. Remember that the character here claims to be the attorney both for Michael and for the family, so he can’t reveal stuff about either!

James you say were a child abuse investigator? whats you take on why some kids dont get the help out of some abusive homes like drug addict rich people but you also hear of the DSS coming in & investigating those like the fat kid?

Women have to work to provide for the family and have to have other people watching their children or they have to leave them alone to fend for themselves. Mothers can not be with their children every minute.

If government is going to have control of our children, then they need to pay mothers to stay home and take care of them. The whole thing is out of control on all sides.

I have worked with enough bad doctors over the years to know that this physician will be protected by many in health care. They protect and cover up for each other. Even if a physician is negligent they will cover because the next problem may be their own. Medicine is not always the precise science people would like to think it is.
There is no way a good physician could over look the form of drug abuse that is being set forth about Michael Jackson. Of course no one outside the room he died in really knows what happened that day. But long term unregulated drug use is something that doctor is responsible for. He lived with the man and was aware of what he was doing. He should never be able to “practice” medicine again. However, I doubt anything will ever be done to the man.

Bruce Having been born into an Amish family I know what you are saying. There are 7 different types of Amish . Some of them are in need of reform of which some of us are working with the bishops on. Progress is slow but slightly improving.

Obese Kid

I have been big all my life. When I graduated from High School I was well over 400lbs. My weight was not the fault of my parents, it was my choice not just to eat what I liked but how much I wanted. If I had only eaten what we had at home I would not have been as big as I was. But it is so easy for a kid to stop at fast food places or the corner Quicky Mart and pick up the great tasting junk food that is targeted towards them. Also our modern lifestyle does not give us very much time to eat, so as soon as we enter school we are programmed to stuff our faces as fast as we can or go hungry. The schools I went to we had between 20 and 30 minutes to eat. By the time it took to get to the cafeteria, get in line and make it thru to pick up your food, and then find a seat you only had 5 to 10 minutes to eat. After 12 years of this it is a habit that is hard to break and so you carry it over into your adult life. I can not see how the parents can be held accountable. Yes, parents have to try and instill good choices in kids but in the end he is old enough to make the choices he does.

It is no different than watching the news and seeing decent parents who tried to raise there kids with the knowledge of right and wrong sitting in a court room as there child (teen or young adult usually) has just been found guilty of a major crime. You guys mentioned that the young mans life expectancy is maybe 40 if he’s lucky but a lot of kids now days don’t even make it too half that.

Could he be charged?
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Comment by capmotion
June 28th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Good Morning, Ms Ali, and Gang.

The most disgusting thing about the Jackson affair for me is this verbal diarrhea from this Oxman character, who claims to be an attorney both for Michael and for the family, about Jackson’s problems, about what he told him and them about it, and about what he told them he would broadcast to the world if they did not do certain things about the problem! Are you kidding me???/! Attorneys are supposed to protect their clients confidences and secrets at all costs; it is more than merely not revealing attorney-client communications, but is a duty to protect [and obviously not exploit!] all confidences, secrets, advice, thoughts about your client, etc. This man has undermined a sacred and essential component of attorneys’ duties and he should be shunned and drummed out of the profession!

James C, I’m in the northwest part of the state, but I’m very familiar with the Pittsburg area because my grandparents lived near there. KS is a great place to live.

RE: New husband –

Just keep in mind the old phrase my high school English teacher always said whenever anyone asked why she wasn’t married… Women have many faults, men have only two – Everything they say, and everything they do…

If the government wants to intervene with this child’s situation then they are going to set a precedent of needing to intervene with every situation that is similar. Obesity in America is at an Epidemic rate and the government will be extremely busy. I don’t know what the right answer for this child is, I feel sorry for him… I think his mother is just trying to get by just like many Americans. The Government needs to Educate people on what they are eating and Eliminate company’s from using the products that are causing obesity. Just a thought.

Not in my house Dianne, I ask my wife do you want stuff or kids? She chose children, I said fine stay home and raise them. We have no regrets.

Thanks Cap, I was just wondering, especially after Brian Kilmeade asked the Judge that question. I always thought that client confidence considered first, and besides I actually thought the lawyer for Michael Jackson was so wrong in what he said on the show last week. Thanks for clearing that up.

Good morning all. It is nice to see everyone.

It seems to me that “Obelieve what I say” thinks that everyone in America is no smarter than a 2 year old and that he is the only one capable of making any decisions and he is the only one who can run the government, the financial industry, the manufacturing (e.g. car companies) as well as how we raise our children and our health care.

As for MJ I am so tired of hearing about him that I am ready to throw the TV out. Can we quit rehashing every little detail and only report if there is something new to say?

John and Kate, please, they don’t need the show anymore, they have everything given to them anyway. Perhaps the best thing for those kids would be to live a non-public life with parents who work to support and take care of them, real reality! They won’t need the nannies anyway as all the kids will be in school all day, where by the way the teachers ten to anywhere from 20-30 kids the same age all day every day. God Bless the teachers!

And yes, the parents of that morbidly obese boy are endangering his life by not getting treatment for him, and I find it hard to believe in this day and age where almost every single mom I know gets AFDC and Medicaid, I can’t buy the excuse that she could not afford to get him treated. And there are other ways to feed your family besides fast food if you don’t cook. There are all kinds of good foods that kids like that they can heat in the microwave if Mom isn’t home.

Well for goodness sake! My BRILLIANT comments are off into cyber space!!!! ~~laughing~~ I do NOT think the government has any business inside my family, unless I have broken the law of the land. Children Services doesn’t save anyone, usually, but can cause havoc in the process of their “intervention”…cults are not the same as the Amish community, which is open, and active in the community, and their citizens are allowed to leave, if they wish. I don’t have to be nailed the t.v., to understand whatsup, so I might choose to enjoy a beautiful day, and put it all aside for a few hrs., so I would not assume a person doesn’t know what is going on, if the were out enjoying themselves. We are abt to find out tho, as 2010 is approaching very very very fast, and we will see if anyone except US, of course, is paying attn, hum????

Thanks cap, my post that I had written to you went into cyber.

I was wondering and I am glad you cleared that up, because I thought it was so wrong for the lawyer to run his mouth to Fox about Jackson. It was just wrong. I thought at the time, the Judge was also wrong when he said that. However I am not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

So thanks.

BruceWV,

Good for the two of you. I was also fortunate to be able to stay home and raise my two girls. Now the government wants more and more from average citizens. Either we have to do without any luxurys at all or work ourselves to the bone.

Funny how government doesn’t have to worry…they get their health, transportation, and salary paid for by us!

James inquires if the blabbermouth attorney can be charged. He can have complaints filed against him in the State Bar, and that is underway. But it is important to all reading this and hearing him that Oxman’s perfidies are grotesquely atypical – people can still trust their confidences to their attorneys, which is necessary to attorneys’ efforts to help and protect those clients, and there is no “he’s dead, I can gush now” exception to that rule.

Me, it is sad but true. Not all abuse is turned in. In addition there are judges, lawyers, and child abuse investigators that are not worth what they eat. Like the judge that gave an admitted offender less than a year for raping a four year old child in McAlester. Over all I think most investigators do what they

Good Morning Everyone !!!!
Hope I am able to post today….. I’ll change our Governor in a second. He is USELESS….. Let Michael rest in peace…. I was never a fan but do feel for his children. As for husbands …… I married mine almost 42 years ago. Had some wonderful times and at times I wanted to trade him in.
Am happy to say that I wouldn’t trade him in for anyone else. He still works (40 hr week) after having retired from the NYPD. He goes grocery shopping , he helps clean the house, does yard work, helps with the grandsons and takes care of my mom. And Gini he buys donuts and cookies too . LOL

Regarding the young morbidly-obese teen: he is probably experiencing Metabolic Syndrome, a complex blending of alterations in carbohydrate intolerance (pre-diabetes), self-care skill deficits related to understanding of nutrition, exercise, and CORRECT management of his insatiable hunger (all part of the syndrome). His mom is only part of the formula in his safety. Health care providers need to intervene with the use of a safe and inexpensive drug, metformine. I can tell you, that mom is overwhelmed. I see it on a daily basis in my practice. Use your program to find resources for this family unit….please don’t give him anymore personal grief than he experiences on a day-to-day basis.

Bruce The “stuff” isn’t very important after all, is it. Children, on the other hand, are just a huge gift, and I agree with you for sure. We were fortunate and I did not work, as the “stuff” was just never that important at all…and in the end, it just GETS IN THE WAY, for sure!!!!! ~~laughing~~ ha!! work outside the home, that is. All I did was work, as this was a 24/7, job. I celebrate the working mom, however, as she is the absolute ultimate organizer, able to get it all done, and also enjoy a career. I do believe the bottom line, is a loving environment for the children, and that is the priority anyone would have, who is a responsible person, and I have seen that happen over and over again, with the women I know, who work, and maintain a household with children. lol

Your right Dianne I never thought about it like that ,I guess because I had 2 sons by the time I was 20 the only life I know is working and I like it that way.

I see the Iranians are holding some British Embassy personnel. And Obummer wants to have diplomatic relations with Iran? I could think of a number of D.C bigwigs that should be on staff there.

Thanks James & I’ll step of my box now

Morning A Wall & Merle

I have finally figured out why I am the the way I am. My mom must have been drinking while breatfeeding me . Can I sue? LOL

just a quick comment on stay at home moms. My wife was able to stay home with our three children, who are grown with their own children, and by the way, their wifes stay home now as well.
The difference I believe in why a lot, not all, but a lot of women work after child birth is because of the “need” for certain things, like cell phones, wide screen tvs, cable, lap tops, PDA’s, and all the other necessities of life, that by the way, we didn’t have when we had children. No WII’s, lap tops, cell phones, or anything like that.

Good morning Merle!!!! I have one just like yours and wouldn’t trade him either. I would say your description of the journey is totally accurate. Ah..and I have eaten all the cookies that I like, fr the package he brought home yesterday. YUMMM!!!

My doctor way back in 1979 when my son was born recommended beer when I was breast feeding, the times they have changed.

Gini trust me I know and did’t mean a mothers job is not work actully I was amazed at what my wife can do.

BruceWV,

Too bad there isn’t a way of trading with neighbors and not have an income the government can take. Those were the days!

I’ll do computer work for you and you do something for me in return. That would show them! They would find a way to stop that too!

Dr. Kogan’s claim that nursing mothers should not drink any alcohol; Ms Ali’s doctor says one should have a beer for milk production purposes. This shows one of the things people should realize about “experts.” The term “expert” does not mean the person knows the absolute answer, but merely knows more of the subject matter than the regular Joe. But there are “experts” on both, and all, sides of every topic, so if you are serving as a juror and an “expert” testifies, understand that the label does not define the objective truth.

RoseAnn Shaw. You go girl. You hit a home run with that one.

My God, I am just glad to be alive today based on all these new discoveries. In the “old” days, no car seats, ate stuff that we didn’t know about, parents who drank and smoked while they were pregnant and breast feeding.
Anyone over 60 is a miracle in my mind, because we shouldn’t be here. Not to mention what we did in the 60’s which in itself is another story.

John…one does wonder how on earth we got those kiddo’s raised, hum??? Geeezzzzzzz…anything done in excess, is prob just not okay, and after that, all their little grp think and studies, are worth abt as much as the paper it got written down on, hum??? lol Or, that is this citizens opinion, after being told the most outrageous things thru the yrs, only to find out OOPS!!! That study was INCORRECT. lol

RoseAnn… You sure are spot on!!! Good morning..

Hell the US government would not do anything when they took our people
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Comment by olinl
June
Iranians are holding some British Embassy personnel. And Obummer wants to have diplomatic relations with Iran? I could think of a number of D.C bigwigs that should be on staff there.

Betty lets not forget that way way way back in the day Beer was the only thing they drink, on the boats coming over here Men woman & children only drank beer it was better to drink the beer then the water! so talk about times changing LOL If I remember correctly they stopped in Va because they were running low in beer & need to make more before going any further so all would not die from dehydration

I see obese children being brought to the doctors office daily. I am talking about kids even as babies way over weight and every age on up. Fast food and junk food are every where. Working parents tend to do the fast food thing way to often and processed foods are the next fast producer of fat in kids. Many parents come to the office with food in hand to give to the kids to keep them quiet. Parenting skills are at an all time low.
Sadly we see abused and neglected kids that social services should be taking care of and do not. Nurses are required to report these cases but many do not anymore because without the physician reporting the case is often dropped. Many physicians do not want to take the time off to testify in these cases. So abuse and neglect go on and on.
An obese kid is at risk. It is sad his mom does not monitor his food intake. I realize she is in the same boat as many working parents but there are things she could do to stop this problem. Social services is not able to take care of the abuse and neglect cases as it is. This mother needs to be responsible and do what needs to be done for her son.
Obesity is an epidemic in this country. I am not talking about someone 50 or 100 pounds over weight. It has now far exceeded that. Many people are coming in that we cannot weigh on normal scales that go up to 300 or 500 pounds. Poor diet and inactivity are the major causes. By the way many times your tax dollar has been paying for this. Someone wake up!

Ron, me too!!!!! Red dye, asbestos, sunshine, all over the WORLD w/no seatbelt YIKES!, a beer here and there, as well as a glass of wine, and other delish drinks along the way…of course, the Inspector General always thought it was pretty ridiculous one zoomed down the highway, with nothing to hold you in, if one lost control of said vehicle. As a pilot, he ALWAYS was required to wear a seat belt after all, and unlikely to have a head on up thar in the blue, hum???

If Michael collapsed as is being reported who put him on the bed and why would the doctor perform CPR there and not on the floor? Was Michael already on the bed? Did he go to lay down after receiving the reported Demerol shot? Is it that he never regained conscience and the Doctor found him in full cardiac arrest and everything unfolded as we know it to be? Why was a cardiologist treating Michael for a chronic pain condition? Does the Doctor have enough with respect to Michael’s medical history, tests etc to warrant authorizing and administering Demerol? Did the doctor control the administering of the other prescribed meds Michael was taking? Or was Michael allowed to take them on his own accord? Was it the Doctor’s sole responsibility to administer only the Demerol injections? If it was a common practice for Michael to take the prescribed meds in conjunction with one another was there visible signs of impairment that went unnoticed by this doctor? What about lack thereof of Narcon the medicine to interrupt and reverse the effects of a drug overdose. There are many questions that need to be answered in this unfortunate death. Thank you

I can’t understand how we raised our kids without Obummer in office. We would have someone exactly how to raise them . That’s why they attend church and come home to help mom and dad. This is all wrong. I wish Obummer had been here to tell us how. I feel so depraved for not raising them right. Should I seek counseling?

I just e-mailed about the young man with obesithy. I also want to bring another point to focus. I see blatent abuse of children on a regular basis as I drive around my community. Why are we not prosecuting parents with children inside an enclosed car…. smoking. We would come unglued if we saw a parent with a plastic bag over a child’s head. Well, replace that bag with an environment filled with toxic gases. That is behavior these parents are DIRECTLY capable of avoiding…not to mention the role-modeling opportunities missed.

Thanks Gini and Olinl. It sure is nice to be able to be here again. We came home early this weekend as our son seems to be doing better, though we wore him out by taking him away from the hospital for a lunch of something besides hospital food.

OK I’m going to have to turn the channel I’m sick with whats going on with the Jackson kids now on TV they are says the Mommy dont want the kids can you imagine whats going on in the poor kids minds? watched daddy die, mommy dont want us & have to live with a known child molester grandpa hummmmmmmmm
I have to step away for a few

John,
No fear, Obama will make it right. In the next four years, he will take care of all your needs. You won’t even have to think, because Uncle Sam will do it for you.
Does anyone remember the song, “in the year 2525?

John,

Obama wants to be our daddy. He is jealous of Uncle Sam and wants to rid him of his status!

Ron,

Uncle Sam won’t have a job. It will be “your daddy, obama, wants you!”

Dianne I’ve been doing that for years, as a contractor for 29 years I have a few steady customers I trade with. A pizza place, a barber, cofee shop, and a couple of ladies that make the best banna nut bread I ever had.

Good morning Cap…good to see you, and we do miss you when not here. Glad all is well.
Exactly Betty…beer was recommended when breast feeding. I never thought however, they meant I was supposed to have so many, I couldn’t actually FIND MY BREAST!!!! hum??? ~~laughing and laughing~~ oh my my my. I have caught ME syndrome today, apparently. So so so silly. lol We also survived lead paint, as I NEVER was told I should actually EAT paint chips??? Mom did keep the house spotless, after all.

the La leche league website re: alcohol and breastfeeding

Important Considerations
Your baby’s age
A newborn has an immature liver, and will be more affected by alcohol
Up until around 3 months of age, infants metabolize alcohol at about half the rate of adults
An older baby can metabolize alcohol more quickly than a young infant
Your weight
A person’s size has an impact on how quickly they metabolize alcohol
A heavier person can metabolize alcohol more quickly than a lighter person
Amount of alcohol
The effect of alcohol on the baby is directly related to the amount of alcohol that is consumed
The more alcohol consumed, the longer it takes to clear the mother’s body
Will you be eating
An alcoholic drink consumed with food decreases absorbtion

I hope the docs attorney is a better attorney that he is a doctor, or he could spend the rest of his life in jail. Hee, hee.

BruceWV,

We all need to do it. Then how will they ever pay for their control??

Dianne… yep, he sure does!!! Apparently our congress agrees? YIKES! lol

More experts re: breastfeeding and alcohol

The drug transfer table is available at http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;108/3/776/T6 and the full text of The Transfer of Drugs and Other Chemicals Into Human Milk can be found at http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;108/3/776
Dr. Jack Newman, member of the LLLI Health Advisory Council, says this in his handout “More Breastfeeding Myths”:
Reasonable alcohol intake should not be discouraged at all. As is the case with most drugs, very little alcohol comes out in the milk. The mother can take some alcohol and continue breastfeeding as she normally does. Prohibiting alcohol is another way we make life unnecessarily restrictive for nursing mothers.
Thomas W. Hale, R.Ph. Ph.D., member of the LLLI Health Advisory Council, says this in his book Medications and Mothers’ Milk (12th ed.):
Significant amounts of alcohol are secreted into breastmilk although it is not considered harmful to the infant if the amount and duration are limited. The absolute amount of alcohol transferred into milk is generally low. Beer, but not ethanol, has been reported in a number of studies to stimulate prolactin levels and breastmilk production (1, 2, 3). Thus it is presumed that the polysaccharide from barley may be the prolactin-stimulating component of beer (4). Non-alcoholic beer is equally effective.

Gotta go to work BYE

Gini,

I’ve been waiting to see a new government poster with Obama as “our daddy”. He is so full of himself, there will be another executive order soon!!

Nobody needs to worry about the Jackson children….they’ll be fine. If all else fails, you know Angelina Jolie or Madonna will step in.

Wow, was this guest an opportunist.

She is the founder of trump place doctors as her claim to fame and has ABSOLUTELY no expertise in this area. Come on guys. Why not a pediatrician or a women’s health expert? This woman specializes in “anti aging” and does not have a single article to her name about this or anything else that I could find on a medical search (ovid)

She has no knowledge of alcohol metabolism. 24 hours for a single glass! She is wrong.

from a pediatrician in PA

BruceWV,

Nice trading chat with you this morning!

Hey gotta run to that “C” word. Are we still allowed to say church? Wouldn’t want to upset Obummer or offend anyone in his adm. Have a wonderful day. God bless one and aLL.

HI ME & Gini and all….
Bruce
I stayed home when my girls were little. Went to work when they were in school. I also worked in the school system so left home with them and came home with them. Unfortunately, these days in order to afford to live here mom’s need to work. It’s a shame but they have no choice.

I just watched a movie on the scifi channel, starring Christian Bale, abt a society like that Ron…can’t remember the name of it, darn. But, EVERYONE was required to have “their shot” every day, which took alllllllllllll emotion out of the picture, therefore the society was always “calm”. Interesting movie, and a bit more scary actually, as we watch the events unfold in our government today. Of course, he SMACKED AND SMOTED the bad guys in the end, and with the help of the UNDERGROUND, saved everyone!!!!! YES!

Ok I ate a little breakfast, took a breather & ready to laugh again

Gini the Me syndrome is a great thing to have

Bloody Mary anyone???

See everyone next week, time to go to church. I think I need it this week with all the MJ jokes.

Alisyn,
You have a good show, but how many more times are you going
to say Debbie Rowe doesn’t want her children. Ok we know that, but do the kids
have to be subject to that news every 5 seconds? Your a Mother…give it a rest.

John,

Have a good day. Say a prayer for our country! Secretly of course…wouldn’t want you to be arrested or anything.

Ms Alisyn,

We all agree you are beautiful.

chas

OK Enough with the custody!!!!

WHY ARE MOVING VANS ALLOWED AT THE HOUSE WHILE AN INVESTIGATION IS GOING ON??????????????
WHERE ARE THEY GOING WITH ALL OF THE FAMILIES THINGS?????????????? CAN THEY TRUST THESE MOVERS????????????
SOMETHING AIN’T RIGHT IN NEVER LAND!?#@!?

HERE HERE GAIL!!!

I’m gonna have to disagree with the last bit. Women have reached a consensus, they pretty much all find me attractive.

Gail,

I agree. No need for Governor Sanford’s wife to keep hearing those emails either.

Good Morning everyone,
off topic.
Everything this Administration is doing…. is NOT in the best interest of the American people,
when are these democrats and the MSM going to speak their minds,
and challenge this Administration….. in what the heck are you doing to our country.

James,

I’d be happy if women just found me.

chas

Here are the phone numbers for the turncoats that are sinking our great country.

The 8 cap-and-tax Republican turncoats again are:

Bono Mack (CA) (202) 225-5330
Castle (DE) (202) 225-4165
Kirk (IL) (202) 225-4385 (And he’s seriously considering running for Senate!)
Lance (NJ) (202) 225-5361
LoBiondo (NJ) (202) 225-6572
McHugh (NY) (202) 225-4611
Reichert (WA) (202) 225-7761
Smith (NJ) (202) 225-3765

Chas I’mmmmm tellinnnnn

Salvatore,

They have all lost their minds and only care they have the power and want to do everything they have wanted to do for the last few years. It has nothing to do with the American people and everything to do with what they want.

I am keeping tally!

If they want independence from foreign oil how come they don’t about drilling here?

This bill is going to kick our wallets in the tail.

This spin doctor is full of it.

chas

Way back when I was breastfeeding my babies, my doctor recommended a small glass of wine about 30 minutes before feeding to help with relaxation and milk let-down. It seems to have been O.K. My kids were healthy and none are alcoholic that I know of.

Bye all, have a great day and a greater week. Will probably be here next weekend as it is 4th of July and we don’t want to battle the traffic to make the trek to Augusta.

They DID NOT READ THE BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chas

Why can’t we drill here? I am just asking. I agree we need to get off of foreign oil, so lets drill here for the stuff.

Our industry here in PA is coal, and our state will be hurting big time if the cap and trade gets passed through the Senate. Remember before the election the “one” said he would bankrupt the coal industry.

How can people have been so blind?

Me

bye Bruce and John…have a wonderful day!

Bye RoseAnne Enjoy your week!

it’s a name thing Chas gotta look out ya know

Chas, and the 300 pages that were added at 3:09 a.m. in the morning don’t forget.

He also said “we could put a man on the moon in 10 years. I can’t believe we can’t have clean coal”.

Guess we can’t since he is trying to shut them down.

chas,

Maybe they do not know how to read! Just a thought…

We all know they do not have common sense.

chas, they didn’t read the bill??/! They obviously didn’t read [or understand] the Constitution, because if they had, there would not be such a bill.

OK you CANT wreck a relationship that is not already BROKE

Prosecutor and defense attorney blabbing about complicated Family Law issues??? Give me a break; don’t you have any family law attorneys you can call on?

Hey ME,
Bloody Mary????? me me me me me meme me Thank You

What Constitution? Is there a Constitution? OMG, I thought there wasn’t any.

I hear you Dianne,
thats right Chas…. why dont they drill… we have plenty of oil here.. why not use it,
is that to easy?

One must ponder,,,,,,,,, Do Infants enjoy Infancy as much as Adults enjoys Adultery lol

Here ya go Merle nice & spicy with 3 colossal olives!!!

I have a spreadsheet for all votes taken and will not forget.

Nancy Pelosi will not be out of my mind either…whether the media talks about her or not.

She is a disgrace for the position she has and can not believe they are not forcing the issue with her.

Gotta go…everyone have a great Sunshine-ee day!

Mary, I have two boxes of them here [from Heritage] that I hand out when I speak at schools. Just passed out some for each teacher at our local middle school. And I even offer help on how to read them, in case the words are complicated. So, yes, there is one – we merely need to understand and honor it.

It must be Sal. Perhaps they just overlook the obvious.

chas

James F. You are lucky. women find me overweight, at the right time of day toothless and bald headed.
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Comment by james fuzzell
June 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
I’m gonna have to disagree with the last bit. Women have reached a consensus, they pretty much all find me attractive.

Good morning Sal, and yes Merle!!! I want a bloody mary tooooooo!!!! lol Am out of my fav cookies after all. lol YIKES and grrrrrrrrr!!!

Comment by Mary
June 28th, 2009 at 8:22 am

Chas, and the 300 pages that were added at 3:09 a.m. in the morning don’t forget.

✈ ✈ ✈ ✈ ✈

Good morning Mary, that’s what I heard also on Sean Hannity’s radio show and they were given 3 hours to read the whole bill.

Chas, I agree with everything you say!!!!!

Cap I got the pocket one from Heritage too

Morning all….

Cap, thanks for your words of wisdom about attorneys and “experts.”

bye Dianne…have a great day. Am loosing some posts today, and so it goes. Am being very careful, but it’s just one of those moments, hum??? lol

ME…….
You just made a friend for life:):):)

me, good for you: it’s a dandy thing to have, and no excuse for everyone not having one.

Morning Frank your just in time I’m making a pitcher of Bloody Mary’s here hand this one to Gini for me LOL

That might get you into trouble Merke.

chas

ME, you are on a roll again today….

Morning Gini… it looks like its going rain today.

“They” can CHOOSE to not SIGN or VOTE for anything they haven’t read fr front to back. Apparently they choose to not care a fig, whether anything gets read. I have no patience for any of it, and consider it irresponsible behavior on all fronts, and an insult to the citizens they are supposed to be representing. lol

Merle

Gini, you sound like someone else saying your posts are getting eaten, good morning.

Is everyone having to fill out the info box each time before posting?

Yea and Merle also.

chas

Hey Chas I’m feelin the love ! & stay out of it I need all the friends I can get

No Betty

On the energy bill.
Average people know instinctively that the energy bill is going to cost us a bundle of money and in the end will not fix anything. The powers to be in Washington will not let us (US) do the reasonable and start using the resources we have on out continent. We have gas, oil, geothermal etc. We need to use all of it. If government would let free enterprize loose to develope these resources unfettered(sp) we could turn our economy around in months not years and our economy would become again what the world at large envies.
Our government is out of control. I believe that if we don’t see Washington start listening to the people whom they serve, then we will start saying good-by and bring in public servants who will serve the public. It can’t happen soon enough.

CAP, I think our lawmakers do not read any of the bills they vote for or they would not pass 80% of them. That is the second time that bills were jammed down lawmaker’s throats.

I see that Sal! Boo hoo…but the Comfest went well, and the girl sang beautifully, so at least yesterday was nice. Did have the event of disruption during their show. A bunch of wannabee hippies decided to march across the front of the stage during the show, with their signs and coffins. It was abt to turn really ugly, what with MAMA sitting in the FRONT ROW!!!!! ~~laughing~~ YIKES! Thankfully, the oldest daughter whispered “sweet nothings” in the ear of them thar folks, and they evacuated immediately. Hummm..wonder what that kiddo said??? YIKES!!! I was saved having to punch them in the nose…a close call!!! grrrrr, again! lol The audacity of it all, was beyond the pale, whether one might have agreed with them or not.

I think it is our throat’s that this is being shoved down Frank.

chas

what is this … where is your gov. ….. where your doctor…. where your pastor… the point I’m try to make i sure at lest 1 doctor or one pastor across the nation have dispear …. like a policemen they don search without probable coluse …. this is NOT fare and Balance

I thought about how mothers feed their babies with tiny little spoons and forks so I wondered what do Chinese mothers use? Toothpicks?

Frank…nothing is jammed down any of their throats. They make a decision it doesn’t matter at all, and we should all consider that, when voting in 2010, hum???

I’m a member of Heritage and cap is absolutely right.
There’s no excuse for anyone not to have one.

http://www.askheritage.org/Premium.aspx

Guys, It was SAM that was the ugliest dog of all time. http://www.samugliestdogever.com/

I do Gini…our local paper prints the roll calll votes on Sunday. I have the links to I can see what other lawmakers do on these votes as well. I even found the non-congressional link that tracks votes by legislator by state.

Betty…at least I’m not accusing anyone, or threatening to sue, hum??????? I’m only marginally CRAZY after all!!! lol

Cap, I have my Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence on my desk now, pocket version from The Hertiage Foundation. So why does Congress have theirs?

I agree, Frank, that those self-regarding clowns rarely completely read anything they vote for. It’s even worse in California, with our initiative process – the voters vote for the label, not the substance, and that is much the case with Congress.

i THINK pABST LOOKS LIKE THE ALIEN IN PREDITOR WHEN HE TAKES OFF HIS HELMET FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE ORIGINAL MOVIE

i think that the ugliest dog in the world looks a lot like bob rohrman (the suing gilted car dealer). pabst, was indeed ugly but seemed to have a very nice disposition. i don’t think i have ever seen a better behaved dog during an interview.

Agreed Scott. He didn’t cut anyone off or interrupt anyone….lol

chas

Dog, U talking about the Constitution…it should be a high school course in place of some of the dumb ones they offer today.

WOW what a ring on that ladies finger!!!!!

The Constitution is readily available to anyone who wishes to read it, again, or for the first time. Of course, the library being an excellent source for information. They are closing them down, however, with the excuse of no monies. Another step towards an effort to make sure the citizen has no access, one might think, to information. Alarming? For sure!!! There seems to be PLENTY of money for the top heavy staff, engaged in the operation of government, on all levels. lol

Cap & Frank
How about (since Congress reads nothing before passing a BILL) we sneak in something that reads….. after this bill is passed all of Congress is fired……..:)

Mary, you men why “doesn’t” Congress have theirs!/? And they don’t, because their voters sent them there based on promises of the federal largesse they would promise to bring to their districts and states, and so long as the voters demand “gimme” as a criterion for election, Congress has no interest in understanding the limitations the Framers intended for the national ["general"] government. Illicit demands by voters spawn illicit representatives.

Mary, I as sure Congress has theirs only they don’t read it.

Cap, I hope California survives its own Oximoron situtation….Want all programs, but don’t raise taxes. It is only in the legislature that if you don’t increase budgets by the cost of living it is considered a cut.

Merle: you address Cap & Frank, which is better than Cap and Trade!

That would be a clever idea, but who would insert it there, the bill-writing staffers who are on the illicit graveytrain against which we fume?

As a footnote, the stage where they performed was standing room only, and when the show was over, everyone evacuated immediately, as the wannabeezzzz took over, so apparently no one was at all interested in their rude and absurd behavior. ~~smile~~ That was loverly to see, I must concede. Am very glad to not be in jail, however, for ASSAULT!!! ~~laughing~~

Now that sounds like a plan Merle!!!

I like that plan also Merle…yep!

OK C laytoon chat room the new blog????

Frank, you are correct that California’s system and inconsistent policies are utterly absurd; if there weren’t political and familial headwinds against my leaving, I’d be gone in a heartbeat.

interesting thought
Comment by Me
June 28th, 2009 at 8:41 am
I thought about how mothers feed their babies with tiny little spoons and forks so I wondered what do Chinese mothers use? Toothpicks?

Gini,
We will send you to Congress with cookies laced with common sense. Maybe that will work….:)

I think they all have read the constitution. They have decided it doesn’t apply. Again…citizens need to remember, and in 2010, vote again, and perhaps some sanity will return…perhaps! lol One wonders if anyone who is qualified, is willing to actually do this very important job.

That would be an improvement, Merle, since now they’re eating something laced with stupidity and arrogance.

LOL James

Hey WTF is up with C laytoon getting to go on & on about his “chat” room? have we been put in time out here on the Greenroom blog???

Cap, as Bob Barker used to say “COME ON DOWN” NC is calling. Good to see you today.

Well it’s been fun all. Thanks for the company and thoughts. I hope everyone has a good and safe week.

Ms Alisyn, enjoy your week.

chas

Have a great week all…see everyone next weekend.

It’s been fun and informative. Good to see you all. You all have a pleasant and safe week.

As Cookie Czar, I accept the challenge Merle, and will contact Sal, in the Dept of Kitchens, and get him started on those cookies immediately. A memo must be sent however, to all depts, bureaus, staff, staffers, fam and friends, and all those who just came along, so we can “read” the opinion piece presented to construct a good plan to fight the abuse in our domain, and I feel certain {well, not really} everyone will cooperate {unless hiking, of course} in an effort to keep me informed of all available funds {are there any???} so we can move forward on this most important function of our responsibilities, but must first contact Sterling, chief of the Dept of Protocol, and find out exactly what I am supposed to actually know, as I must be protected fr having any real knowledge, needing deniability in all areas, and being as how I am actually very busy, planning another trip for my staff, staffers, fam and friends, and those that just come along, I am sure I don’t have a clue abt any of it, and am very comfy with it all, hum?????

I’m out too! See you all next week

ALI come back to play with us!!!! WE miss you!!!!

I think it is time to log off. In short time the haters and those wanting to sue will be on. Would like to see a lawsuit that has national attention and have all of her post made public in court.

Comment by BruceWV
June 28th, 2009 at 7:50 am

Gini trust me I know and did’t mean a mothers job is not work actully I was amazed at what my wife can do.
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I didn’t miss understand you Bruce. I realize you do know…and I agree w/you. I was fortunate, but have witnessed very successful women, raise fam’s very “successfully”…. just added that as a footnote. lol

I think Congressmen nd Senators should be required to PASS A TEST on the content of any bill they are considering before they are allowed to vote on it, proving they know what is in it. I bet we would get far better government that way, and these 1200 page dumps of bills nobody has read that have copious pork and unintended consequences would be things of the past. The rest of us have to prove we know what we are doing; why don’t We the People REQUIRE our representatives to do the same? I’m tired of them playing Russian roulette with our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor unlike our forefathers who put THEIRS on the line for us.

Me on the travel channel one see a lot of folks using their fingers and kind of pinching the food out of a bowl as they eat. Anyone been in an Asia country and can answer (Me’s) question.
ps: I just added (me’s) to my dictionary so it will not show red underline. ask more so I can say ms’s more often.

Comment by James C
June 28th, 2009 at 9:03 am
interesting thought
Comment by Me
June 28th, 2009 at 8:41 am
I thought about how mothers feed their babies with tiny little spoons and forks so I wondered what do Chinese mothers use? Toothpicks?

I think congressmen and senators should be required to pass a TEST to prove they are literate! There are currently no higher education requirements for them and that’s a shame. I think they should ALL have a minimum of a law degree….after all, they are passing laws.

A new poll out today says only 21% of voters now consider themselves Republicans….a 25-year low!

Retro…brilliant plan, and one that should be required, I agree!!!
James…have spent a few yrs outside of the USA, and yes, other cultures do use their fingers. After all, one cannot eat soup, with chop sticks!!! lol Eileen (ME) is amazing, isn’t she??? She just jumps off the page, with her enthusiasm. lol I do smile a lot, after reading her funny comments. lol

Gini, I did enjoy (me’s) coments.
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Can anyone tell me who cares about the percent that consider themselves Republican’s

Gini & James I thank you for such kindness I love to read your thoughts too I really enjoy our time together in the greenroom

Billy Mays is found dead. Fifty yrs old, only! No foul play indicated, however. I never knew his name!!! He’s the infomercial guy that sells all kinds of “stuff”. Very sad, and a reminder, again, that it really is one day at a time, so enjoy the day folks!!!! Tomorrow is not actually promised…..

James…not many, I suspect, care a fig abt any numbers put out by anyone at all. There are some that do it better than others, but pep don’t always “tell the truth”, and the questions are often a bit odd, so numbers, tho interesting, are just what they are, after all??? lol

Eileen…we do have a good time here at Aly’s, don’t we. lol Most are just beyond the pale, so smart & informed…real LTD’S on every level. I love the weekends w/Aly, always. A grp which has a large sense of humor also, I might add!!!!

Gini that is a shock. Billy just started a series called “The Pitchmen”.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxHe was so energetic, I a truly shocked and care a lot more about him the jacko
Comment by Gini
June 28th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Billy Mays is found dead. Fifty yrs old, only! No foul play indicated, however. I never knew his name!!! He’s the infomercial guy that sells all kinds of “stuff”. Very sad, and a reminder, again, that it really is one day at a time, so enjoy the day folks!!!! Tomorrow is not actually promised

there is not much out there yet.
I did find this on the web.
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TAMPA, Fla. – Tampa police say Billy Mays, the television pitchman known for his boisterous hawking of products such as Orange Glo and OxiClean, has died. He was 50.

Authorities say Mays was pronounced dead Sunday morning after being found by his wife at home. There were no signs of a break-in, and investigators do not suspect foul play. The coroner’s office expects to have an autopsy done by Monday afternoon.

James…when the news came across the t.v., I had to go and look to see who they were talking abt. I am sure I should have remembered his name, just didn’t. He was amazing, and we do have some of the products he sold. A huge shock, and so young yet. lol An interesting life, I agree, and much more worthy of our consideration than MJ, on any day. I suspect there will be no celebration of his successes, as it’s not as juicy as MJ, and so it goes. One wouldn’t want to inspire, after all, when one can talk endlessly abt a man that failed at life, miserably, after being handed everything. lol

Amen Gini

James We do wonder, don’t we??? lol

You guys just keep giving me great stuff! Thanks! You are soooooooooo in your own little world! That will be mentioned in the article…..specially Gini. LOL

Dontcha just love Lil’ Bill O’Reily

Darn it. I wanted to post but look the converstation has deteriorated to insults just before I even got here today! I do not want to be the target again of the uszh so I’m gone til next time!

I agree carolyn…it had been very pleasant here the past couple of mornings….very amicable indeed….but some come like thieves in the night….after everyone has gone…..to play their hit and run games

those who don’t produce or contribute….only know how to attack…..sad, indeed….such a waste

guess they are busy now….rewrting the rules on the barnyard wall? LOL
SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS !

Liz 45% consider themselves conservatives.

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Liz 45% consider themselves conserative

Sorry for posting twice

I copied and sent lil” Bill O’Reily to O’Reilly and ask if she made pin head. Will watch Bill tomorrow night to see if she made pin head of course she may get an interview with Jessie Watters or how ever one spells the name.
I may have made her famous. Put her in the national light. Of course Bill may make me pin head for sending him such crap.

Bernard Madoff, who became a symbol of greed in the financial crisis for masterminding Wall Street’s biggest investment fraud, faces the rest of his life in prison in one of the stiffest punishments for white-collar crime when he is sentenced on Monday.

The courtroom drama will unfold with the swindler hearing angry defrauded investors speak of their financial ruin. As he makes what could be his final appearance in public, Madoff, 71, will read a statement before a judge hands down a decision.

More than six months after Madoff’s arrest, U.S. prosecutors remain uncertain how much was involved — such was the complexity of the financial web he wove around the world to operate his Ponzi scheme.

Madoff is not really going to jail. Instead, he is becoming a consultant to the Treasury Department.

Oh I think Mr. Madoff would do better with Halliburton. I believe they pay better.

…or was that KBR?

Here’s a better one of Lil Bill…..

O’Reilly was talking about Sanford and how he thinks the left will rip the guy apart and he thinks that’s terrible because the guy has kids. Then he starts talkin to Miller and the first thing out of Miller’s mouth is a joke about Sanford, so Bill had to tell Dennis to stop it! MILLER, pay attention!!! Classic O’Reilly!

I still haven’t quite figured out all your ages, but the baby boomers definitely should NOT be here! They are with us 20-somethings more often than not. I do think we have some late 30’s, early 40’s people here and a few over 65. They are in the right place.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118285/Democrats-Best-Among-Generation-Baby-Boomers.aspx

How old are if I may be so rude Liz? Does not matter how old you are. You just need a brain to be conservative. To be a liberal all you do is repeat the c_ _ _ you hear from your talking points. Right Liz?

No John, I do my own DD. I have to because I’m writing an article. Talking points always leave out vital information and you have to fill in the blanks. All media does that, so be very careful and never limit yourself to one media outlet.

I don’t watch the ones that slant left only the FAIR AND BALANCED that does both sides. Seems only reasonable to me. I thought you were a moderate yet the most moderate McCain is one you trash. One question WHY?

He’s not presidential material…..he’s too old and he’s not smart enough. He’s Bush all over again. There’s a new Republican website called ashleymadison.com……check it out! LOL

Fox doesn’t represent both sides. They have guests from the left but they won’t let them talk usually. Although I give O’Reilly credit for hearing out Barney Frank in the latest interview…that’s probably because Frank wouldn’t go on the show again if Bill wouldn’t let him talk, like he usually does with guests from the “other” side! Hannity is much worse than O’Reilly though and I think they are running out of guests who don’t want to be trashed on their shows without a chance to defend themselves.

A sophisticated new weather satellite rocketed into orbit Saturday, giving forecasters another powerful tool for tracking hurricanes and tornadoes.

An unmanned rocket carrying the nation’s latest Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite blasted off early Saturday evening, a day late because of thunderstorms. The satellite headed toward a 22,000-mile-high orbit, where it will undergo six months of testing. It will circle Earth as a spare and be called into service when needed.

The GOES satellite network provides continuous weather monitoring for 60 percent of the planet, including the United States. The newer ones also monitor solar flares that can disrupt communications on Earth, and track climate change.

The liberal are going to take are right away. So there can give the black people more money and Obama and his wife and house speeder,Mrs Frank,Gm,Mrs pick all liberal that will be makking money and it is only going to give us 10% of eng. So we need to put them out

That is for the Gov. to look at all people the big eye in the sky we will be like IRan. Obama land

Liz you say your a moderate and don’t support a moderate. He’s not presidential material? He has more expirence than Bummer has. He wasn’t even close to being Bush [more dem talking points]. Age discrimination? Open minded? Not smart enough? How smart do you have to be to screw up like Bummer has so far? You are a socialist liberal now you might as well admit it cause everyone now knows. You can’t be much of a writer to have to sneak around to entice people into saying things you put in a rag that no one will read anyway. Why don’t you try the truth that always works?

By the way Liz At least Fox tells both sides which is more than we can say for Msnbc or cnn or abc or nbc or any of the other dem run networks

That’s your opinion Liz and your entitled to it, I’ve heard it many times before. Therefore it’s becoming a talking point that guy’s like O’Reilly like to shout down. Personally when I realize I’m reading someones talking points I stop and move on.

I agree John, although I would like her to site specifics

On O’Reilly Mrs Frank is the one that lost a lot of money on the house. bny rent house for welfare people who don’t pay for anything we pay for all of there thing i think it need to go by by.Black give away house. Because that is all the people who get one and i don’t need a house i build my own house. I’m a conservatives and i’m 46.

Hey Tina when I’m elected President I’ll make you the head of the Welare Dept.

Good Morning Everyone !

There are two ways to get rid of a wasp that won’t leave you alone: swat at it and it gets more and more determined to sting you or run away and don’t give it a chance to sting you! LOL

Hey anyone tried to post on FoxNation lately ?

Good Morning Carolyn

Mornin Mac, I jioned Fox Nation but the nuts are taking over. What a shame to many to ignore now

So you regestered then ?

well thats the nature of forums, blogs, etc.

Better run quick Carolyn, wasp have the ability to follow air movement. I know first hand.

LOL – in case you haven’t noticed Bruce, the NUTS are trying to take over everywhere
So we must not give in.

Yes Mac although I only gave the min info. I never feel safe sending to much in space. PS I made up my last name to.

I know I should be persistent,but it gets frustrating

LOL – thats what they should get for asking too much info, I mean come on it,s just a blog fro petes sake.
I didn’t regester, because I just felt like they wanted too much info.
I don’t have anything to hide , I just don’t like the nosyness of it all.
Actually I tend to give out more info on myself pretty freely, when it’s not an ultimatim

Gotta go to work so” keep up the good fight”. That’s what my minister always says.

Well my new last name is Nunya

One cannot beat a dead horse to death. I have only been here three days but did read a lot more than that. If no one would not respond to participants with abusive posting they would post a lot until she got tired of no one responding. But, there has to be someone who thinks they can out wit her back into the fold or at least make a sensible reply. But the responsible reply are ignored because she is smarter than (she thinks) anyone else, The more one stirs stinks the more one stinks. The stink finally gets on the stirrer.

Yes it does get under your skin sometimes.
But thats when we need to realize that we are more intelligent than some anoying idiot that is just about attention.
You know it’s funny, but it bothers me most when I see someone like that bothering someone else. I feel most compelled to jump in and defend them.

Well, Nice to meet you NUNYA.

Mac in the old school we wee taught to defend the honor of others.
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Comment by Mac The Knight
June 29th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Yes it does get under your skin sometimes.
But thats when we need to realize that we are more intelligent than some anoying idiot that is just about attention.
You know it’s funny, but it bothers me most when I see someone like that bothering someone else. I feel most compelled to jump in and defend them.

Mac in the old school we were taught to defend the honor of others

my bad

Yes James,
and I think that if it persists, evemtually they do here what they have done at the Fox Nation blog, and make everyone regester.
Alisyn has had to address this problem twice now….. that I know of.

God Bless the ” Old School ”
That is what America is all about

No Red Blooded American can just stand by while they see someone being abused.

CYA Bruce

Who is being abused Mac? (just got up, didn’t read everything yet)

John, unless you know how specifically McCain would be a better president I ain’t buyin it! What would make him better? He would have no congress or senate to work with! He would be totally ineffective.

Lindsay Graham (R) admitted yesterday on Meet the Press that O’Bama is a better example of “family values” than the Republicans are…and he understands why the base is diminishing.

Well Liz, You are of course !

Well, thanks for defending me Mac! What fun is a blog with no opposing views….it’s just boring, don’t you think? You have different views as well. I’ve seen them. Doesn’t mean we are unintelligent….just the opposite. Our horizons go beyond “talking points”!

I mean all you are doing is trying to gather information for your artical, and everyone is attacking you over it.

Yes, thats right.
I think that people are just getting too thin skinned these days.
But I can see both sides. I don’t take the personal remarks to heart as much as some others do. I choose take a higher position for myself.
But then thats just ME.

Personally I don’t think John McCain would make a good President at all.
But I personally don’t think much of Graham either.
And as far as Barak Obma having Family good family values, well that is open to much opinion.
Family Values are no longer what they were when I grew up.
This is a different world we live in Now.

Thanks Mac….you’re right! Some people think their own opinion is infallible and they can’t justify how they came to believe what they do. I see a lot of just plain old racism on this blog….how many people have mentioned “blacks” and how many times? That should have nothing to do with Obama. Anyway, he’s half white and he grew up with all whites. He never saw anyone else who was black until he went to college on the mainland. Watch his story on CNN…it might be on the internet.

I don’t care much for Graham either but at least he’s admitting that they have lots of work to do to build back their base. Americans want intelligent leaders who don’t think with the “wrong head”! LOL

I believe the President had a Black Mentor a friend of the grandfather as he was growing up in Hawaii.

Well Obama is Black.
But It sounds like you think he is being judged unfairly because he is black.
Is that what you are saying.

Dianne, I must admit the past couple of days I’ve been watching more CNN than Fox because Fox was so focused on MJ that I needed a break. Then last night at bed, fox was running reruns, so I switched to CNN for some news. I’m so MJ overdosed that I’m about ready to scream when I hear the music.

It might be just me, but it seems like Fox is showing more newsish personality shows lately than plain news shows. I watch the news all the time.

) Maddy

Comment by Dianne
June 28th, 2009 at 7:11 am

Gini and BruceWV,

I checked on the Cable News Ratings list this morning and CNN had a huge surge in ratings. The country is more interested in the news that deals with other things besides politics. I guess most people have decided it isn’t worth knowing what our government is doing to the country. Those people will wake up one day and ask what happened to our freedom. They will be totally clueless

Well also James,
I think 20 years of being with Rev. Wright has to ahve had a lot of influence on Obmas way of thinking about whites too.
I know there is a new term that is becomming more prevalent ” Reverse Racism “.
I can see where that might draw some racism in and of itself.
Yeah that Rev. Wright thing sure didn’t help Obama at all.

Mac I think it is the idea of entitlement, (everyone is entitled whether they have ever worked or saved).
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Comment by Mac The Knight June 29th, 2009 at 9:11 am Well also James,I think 20 years of being with Rev. Wright has to ahve had a lot of influence on Obmas way of thinking about whites too.I know there is a new term that is becomming more prevalent ” Reverse Racism “.I can see where that might draw some racism in and of itself.Yeah that Rev. Wright thing sure didn’t help Obama at all.

He was exploring black culture with the Rev. Wright, but he didn’t agree with him on lots of things. However, I must say the Rev. Wright doesn’t scare me half as much as Sarah Palin’s witchhunting pastor….now that’s some really weird stuff!

I don’t think I could sit in this church for 2 minutes….I’m outta there! LOL

James.
Yes I think you have pin pointed the problem.
“ENTITLEMENT”
VS.
” RESPONSABILITY ”
Are we entitled to our next breath ? Are we born with our entitlement papers in our hand ?
I don’t think so. But still there are those amoung us that feel they are entitled to something because they see someone else that has something that they don’t have. And then they become angry and hateful. All because they assummed wrong.
Wisdom is a slow growing Tree.

Gee Liz, thank you
I was so affraid that no-one would know how racist some people here really are
So you are not anti-semitic ……. I take it ?

Did you put that up because you are pro-Obama or because you are a reverse-racist ?
I would seriously like to know .
It would help me understand what you are sensitive
too, so I might not offend you so thoughtlessly.

Liz, for what publication are you writing an article? You seem to do a lot of stereotyping and selecting of facts to suit your agenda rather than genuinely trying to learn something from the comments you have made here. And I’m curious- since you eschew just throwing out “talking points”, I’m wondering why you avoid answering the specific questions I have asked you, like what Keynsian economics actually means, how the principles of Keynsian economics broke down during the Carter administration and how you think it relates to the economy of China? You seem to know about terms but not actually what they mean.

As for needing all legislators to be lawyers and have a higher education, I think you must not be familiar with the term “educated idiot”. Did you know the man with the highest IQ in the world, at about 200, never went to college? There is an interesting video about him on youtube.

Some of the most intelligent people I know never went to college. When you get older and more mature you will discover this fact for yourself. Or, maybe not. The world is full of terminally educated idiots, after all. Are you still in college now?

BTW, Liz,
what chuch do you attend ?
Or is it Temple ?

No, I am not anti-semitic or racist Mac….some of my good friends are Jewish and Black!

Oh well……
I am really enjoying todays conversatios …….. But I must get going ….. Have to be at Tampa Airport by 1:00 pm.
Hope to find more conversations when I return.
Everybody Play Nice now
CYA
~poof~

Have a good day Mac! Retro, here is a synopsis of what’s being done in China, and it seems to be working beautifully. Obama wants to try something similar.

http://english.caijing.com.cn/2009-03-06/110114349.html

Comment by Liz
June 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
He was exploring black culture with the Rev. Wright, but he didn’t agree with him on lots of things. However, I must say the Rev. Wright doesn’t scare me half as much as Sarah Palin’s witchhunting pastor….now that’s some really weird stuff!

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I think the term you meant to use was, he was”exploiting” the black culture. He certainly depended on their contributions, financially, and votes, to get where he is. And after 20 years,,,,bad publicity causes him to leave his church?….during the middle of his run for office?
But you assume that Palin totally agress with a one time guest speaker?
You are a master at manglling the facts.

Retro, I don’t want to reveal my publication(s) because I’ve had threats. I may use a pen name for this one, but I’m not real sure about that yet. If I do, I’ll post a link to the article.

Why would Palin let that guy “protect her from witches?” I guess she believes in witches, huh? Do you think she would agree with burning them at the stake…..shades of Salem?

and you have the ability to control what a guest speaker says?….would ever said Palin agreed with him?…..these are your statements…not hers….? hmmmm?

was she even there that day?….do you know? did she even hear those remarks? Hmmmm?

Liz all you do is call every one names until that stops who in their right mind would even consider your point of view. You are no moderate so quit lying about that. Peter pan has more common sense than Bummer. You without sin cast the first stone. You say you are a christian. Calling everyone a racist and anti semitic. Sarah Palin has more values than you can ever hope to have. Don’t give me this BS that you look at both sides of an issue. That will only confirm that you are lying about everything you have ever told us about. Take you lies else where where someone may believe cause I don’t

I thought not!

Are you telling us you are awitch? Cause that I might believe.

it’s no use John…..there my many mineless sheep out there…..for Obama’s army…..too sad when they realize how he is destroying their future…..lack of experience shows

going to lunch now……good time for a hit and run, Liz….that’s seems to be your specialty!

I would have liked to see more of that clip “excerpt” about Sarah Palin. I didn’t walk away with a clear sense of what happened there.

Ok, I’m ::poofing:: too Have a great day everyone!

I know Jimmy so many uneducated people that blindly follow Bummer to the destruction of this once great country. It’s so sad to watch. But may God will end it before he destroys it even farther.

Who are you to say that Obama has no brains? He has years of education above McCain and Palin. Until you stop that and prove it to me, I will not believe it for a minute. Who are you blindly following John & Jimmy? The Republicans have no leader, so whooooooooooo????? I want to know! Someone Libertarian? Who is your leader?

Sarah doesn’t seem to have strong religious views, although she seems to have strong opinions. How those opinions were formed is anyone’s guess. The pastor says he sees her in church about a half dozen times a year. She was baptized as an infant in the Catholic Church and later joined a Penecostal church.

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/518514.html

I don’t know whether or not she believes in witches, but I hope she doesn’t. Penecostals are known for having some pretty outrageous interpretations of the Bible.

Jimmy, just as Obama can’t control what Rev. Wright says, Palin can’t control what her pastors say? That makes sense!

God if you were a christain as you claim you would know that. BUMMER IS NOT GOD just in case your confused. I am a conserative . The rep have gone out in left field. I don’t support McCain. You say you’re a moderate and you don’t even support How can we support a lefty like McCain? Prove to me that Bummers smart . I have yet to see anything he’s done to point in that direction. The conseratives don’t have a leader yet that I could support. If they did they could build a force. until then we will wander in the darkness of Bummer’s adm. I going to work before
I get a headache from you liberals. That’s why you need gov healthcare cause you give everyone a pain

John, that would be spelled a “b”, not a “w”…….must’ve been a typo on your part.

Sorry Betty I will take myself to the woodshed as a reminder. LOL

It’s not me, it’s YOU! What is wrong with this webpage? I know how to use it, I use it the same everytime I’m on here and just when I write a response that is time intensive, it trashes it? What is going on here? Ali help us out here….. others complain about the same thing….This is a test of the Greenroom blog….

welcome to —’s log. Stir, stir them more stink one stirs the more one stinks.

Comment by Liz
June 28th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
There’s a new Republican website called ashleymadison.com……check it out! LOL

Terms Of Use Volation!!!!

I have reported you LIZ I will follow through with this, giving it my full attention!!!

ENOUGH!

John, I never said Obama is God did I? I even said he hasn’t proven to me yet that he will be successful! The other party has proven nothing since the election except that they are good at “looking backwards” and “knowing what won’t work”! The healthcare system has to be fixed. It’s been running deficits for years. Bush chose to ignore it. We can’t ignore it any longer! What would your solution be? Do you think the states can do a better job than the feds? I would really like some opinions, but I’m having trouble finding any here! I only get called names like (w)(b)itch!

That was a joke ME. Anyway, there’s nothing wrong with posting that. Most of your “blog” links are worse!

I have been trying to do my best to get you on something & I think you gave it to me! this can go two way Liz, I think it would be in your best interest to just leave this blog on your own!!

No way…..but you are free to leave. I’m still doing some research and I have some comrades here! You are hardly ever around, so what makes you think you can control this blog ME?

Liz according to the terms the joke is on you, I have spoke to the people in charge of this blog & they agree it was a violation & are looking in to it now

How does it violate the terms of use? Was I promoting use of the site? I don’t think so!

I’m always around just dont lower my self to argue with stupid one sided hateful childish postings

I dont control this blog but have been here from the very first day Liz & that gives me the right to inform you & the site host of a violation! I have let many slide but when you post a sex site that’s where I draw the line! NO ONE ever referred you to such a place, just true sites giving ALL political sides

ME, I believe you posted a link to horrible Michael Jackson jokes. I’ll report that one!

Liz I am here everyday! I have been here from the very first day this blog started!! I just dont always post. I am not in charge of this blog But do know the ones who are. I have let alot of your comments slide but PROMOTING a SEX SITE is UNCALLED FOR & yes you were promoting it!!

I did what I felt was necessary & they have agreed it was a violation

Looks like somebody works as a pimp

Is pimping allowable and law-able in Michigan. It is not in Oklahoma where it was presented to me. Sounds like interstate commerce. The FBI can get involved in interstate stuff.

ME, you know it was a joke and I was not promoting the site….get real! I saw that site mentioned in the Sunday paper yesterday in an article about Sanford and how American values seem to be “going down the drain” because of websites like that one and the internet in general. They did not imply that Sanford used it, but apparently lots of people do. Your point is moot.

The internet brings out the worst in some people, as can been seen on this blog. However, it’s all legal and OK, unless you threaten someone!

Me, thank you for doing something. I don’t read the majority of her post so I had missed it. Again thanks.

If you’ll notice, Sam has not been back since he threatened me. That kind of stuff is NOT allowed! Debate is!

Thank You James I try not to get involved with the nonsense but that was over the line.
They are looking into it, and they dont feel it was a used as a joke either.

We will watch & see
I was also asked to tell the rest of us on this blog not to engage with her any longer!!! With full respect lets all oblige PLEASE

ME, I would like to know who you talked to. I’m going to talk to them now. It would help if you could give me a name. Thanks!

Me I agree 100%.

You are also not allowed to use any information here for any papers, published works, etc.

But what do I know….that’s just according to Fox’s lawyers! LOL

Jimmy I was wondering about that. Terms of use states all posting belong to Fox.
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Comment by Jimmy
June 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
You are also not allowed to use any information here for any papers, published works, etc.

I just emailed Alisyn about it and we’ll see what she has to say!

My guess is someone could also be accused of plagarism….esp. when they just seem to cut and paste! LOL

Sounds like some people here need to grow up….. we are all adults, and this is a blog which should be promoting provocative and intelligent responses, not insults. We should all take a look in our own backyards, before casting stones through others window. We are human, not perfect. I really don’t care too much about who says what here on this site, as I am an adult and have heard everything at least once. (Not easily offended) I think we have all heard of the site, as it’s being heavily advertised…. By the way, looking back through the blog, the only way I could find what you two were talking about, was in “your entry” ME. (Maybe I didn’t go far enough back in the blog, but I found the site you were complaining about, in your entry, not Liz’s)…. so guess you advertised it also!
If this site offends you, don’t go there. Otherwise, you should probably stay off the internet. There are way too many advertisements for these types of sites out there, and your bound to find them if you go somewhere other than Fox News websites….well maybe the news site as well.
Point is, enjoy the blog, keep it spirited and keep it fun! No room for insults from anyone on here… That’s just my thoughts….Grow up everyone!
Btw, The Dr. Killed MJ, Madeoff should go to prison where he can “socialize” with his new criminal friends the rest of his life. (Maybe he can teach them how to act like artistocrats!), and Let’s not forget Farrah…She contributed to mankind with her cancer docudrama.

Fox Terms of Use

The reproduction, duplication, distribution (including by way of email, facsimile or other electronic means), publication, modification, copying or transmission of material from this Site is STRICTLY PROHIBITED

I have had it with this “writing a paper” dog and pony show. I think it is a disgrace to represent onself as a person who wants to share ideas and have an exchange of points of view when in fact one is baiting and insulting just to get reactions from others for the purposes of writing a term paper or as some other sort of experiment in which we will be portrayed as “right-wing, wing nuts. None of us gave informed consent at the outset of this “project” and it is downright underhanded to abuse those of us who participated unwittingly in a fraud. This is like throwing a puppy into to traffic and then blaming the driver who hits it for killing the pup. A set up, pure and simple. What an evil enterprise. But, none of us should be surprised that someone would stoop so low while promoting a political movement which has built it’s entire platform on lies and smoke and mirrors. Such sneaky, dishonest, deceitful, and low behavior is the sign of someone who does not deserve one more word from any of us. We have to leave it up the blog administrator so I am copying this to Alisyn so she can decide what to do along with the other things some of us have have reported.

Carolynro if you don’t want to unwittingly contribute, then go post somewhere else. Sound good?

Nicely said Rob! I do wish the hateful ones would leave and then I bet we could get some good debate going here.

Very nicely said Rob. If the people who don’t like debate would leave then we could get some posters who are interested in debate and a little fun maybe!

Some people just want to vent here with all negative comments and don’t anyone dare challenge them, or else! LOL

Don’t worry Jimmy, I will use my own words. I know all about plagarism…and I understand the terms of use! But thanks anyway!

Wow,
A guys drives to the airport and back and all hell breaks loose !
Wow Liz, sounds like people want you off of here. What are you going to do ?
I thought the article you were writing was about Obama or something.
I had no idea that wanted to write about the posts of the people that post on here.
What on earth could you possibly use something like that for.
What is your purpose for that kind of an article ?
If you don’t mind my asking you.
I would like to know……..
What are paning on doing with that kind of article ???

I would really like an explanation of why you would want to make record of the post from this blog.
I have talked with you myself on several occaisions. Now I am very concerned.
And I am having a lot of difficulty in understanding what kind of motives you might have in this.
And I would seriously like an explanation !

Liz…………
I would like for you to explain this………..

not to worry Mac…..

Fox Terms of Use

The reproduction, duplication, distribution (including by way of email, facsimile or other electronic means), publication, modification, copying or transmission of material from this Site is STRICTLY PROHIBITED

Still waiting Liz .
Let Me hear your explaination of this.

Re: video—-subtitled

~~~~~~Dontcha just love Lil’ Bill O’Reily

and the next video–subtitled

~~~~~Here’s a better one of Lil Bill…..

This is just plain REPREHENSIBLE–what parent in their right mind would allow their child to dull forth such drivel. Wow, I bet he’ll grow up to be a nice respectful young man—-NOT

I know, I know—–scroll, scroll, scroll—but a child is involved and it can’t be left alone.

Truly these are the epitome of Pinhead Parents!!!!

O.K. Liz………… Your silence says volumes………….
And I will post it here everyday until you explain this.

Mac do you want an explanation , justification or rationalization from the pimp?

And judging by the post I have read since I got back from the airport, I don’t think you can explain any of this kind of thing to anyone, that post here.
You need to explain yourself to everyone on this blog .
when were you going to send out the release forms to everyone on here to sign giving you permission to do such a thing.
Do you have any Idea how serious this is??????

Re James C.
I want this Girl ( LIZ ) to explain to me and everyone else that uses this blog site ……..Just what she could possibly be wanting to use this kind of information for .
And I think that everyone here should be asking that question as well.
What could she be planning to do with this kind of information.

Mac with the date and time stamp on each entry. I could have you admitting to have raped the pope.
It would not surprise me if she is Sam for the attention.

Comment by Mac The Knight
June 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

James C.
Good point………
Have you been to the bunker ?

Mac its sad, say little read a lot and live in the bunker, stay away from blogs. I thought Fox and Friends “Greenroom” would bee safe. a lot of questions in my foggy old head. On a serious case that is origional docmunication would be hard to acquire.
Comment by Mac The Knight
June 29th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
James C.
Good point………
Have you been to the bunker ?

James C. :
I guess what I am trying to say …………….
I don’t want to say here, if you know what I mean ?

Mac I know. The years I spent working in the prison system, showed me this behavior would have gotton one shanked. Maybe Sam was in the prison system at some time.

I imagine there is a feeling of betrayal,

I could be either of us ………..
But by the grace of God.

There are no promises in this life except the one that comes from our Creator.

While it’s not my job to do so, I would like to apologize to Mac and James, who are both relatively new here, for the current tone of this blog. It has always been a lovely place to visit, until recently. I hope that you both continue blogging here, along with all the other new folks and of course, all the ones who have been here for a long while. For any part that I may have played in any disappointment with this very nice place to be, I hope that you will forgive me for not being strong enough to just leave some things lay, rather than trying to defend my self or my friends.

Alisyn is kind and generous, funny and irreverent, and what a really great place she has fostered here. I’ve made good friends here, and I’ve learned much from everyone here, especially from those with whom I disagree. That’s what’s so wonderful about our country’s freedom of speech: It applies to all of us, no matter our views, and if we’re just smart enough to listen sometimes, we will all learn from each other and be better citizens for it.

Again, gentlemen, to you and all other new folks who’ve popped in to visit: Keep contributing, and keep enjoying the good people here, especially Ms. Alisyn.

And we will all do very good to follow Me’s advice and not engage any further with the recent trouble here.

Sterling :
I totally agree with everything you just said.
And I assure you that I have know plans of leaving at this time. At least until I get an Answere from Liz – I seriously want an Explanation about this matter.
I didn’t know I was being watched, copy and pasted, or baited into a survey for some type of publication, or for whatever, for the life of me I can’t see the Reason, but give time to think about it.
And as far as how good Alisyn is, that is not in question.
And I don’t think that my question is only in my own interest, if you know what I mean.
But I Honestly do understand What you are trying to say.
Mac.

Sterling I replied To you but it didn’t take,
I have been interupted but I will be back asap, will retry then ok

I have an answer for you Mac but I can’t post it now…must be backed up. I might try again later.

Mac, sorry I had to leave for a while. I’m writing an article about the “new” Republican party. I’ve been reading all the Fox News blogs and some at MSNBC. There’s a huge difference. The Fox blogs are full of people who are pretty hateful and mad at the world, and they want to blame Obama more than anyone for what’s wrong with their lives. That’s pretty much the conclusion I’ve come to. I won’t use any personal info. in my article — just some “excerpts” from some of the weirdest posts, and some from the “normal” ones.

MSNBC has more “moderate” views and I assume the people are more educated overall on those blogs (although I don’t know that for a fact). They are not so full of “talking points” and much more thoughtful. I hope that answers your question. You don’t have to be suspicious of me. You have been one of the nicer ones here. Namaste.

I’m writing an article about the “new” Republican Party and the “attitudes” and “beliefs” of the new Republicans. The party is made up of totally different Americans than it was four years ago. I am not taking anyone’s posts for the article so don’t worry about that. I’ve tried to get people to open up here, but they are pretty stuck on talking points. I do have the general gist of how they think though. I hope that answers your question.

I repeat for emphasis!

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Comment by Liz
June 29th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I’m writing an article about the “new” Republican Party and the “attitudes” and “beliefs” of the new Republicans. The party is made up of totally different Americans than it was four years ago.
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Would you care to site the source of your “information”?

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No kidding Jimmy…..really? Do you understand that?

I repeat….
Would you care to site the source of your information?

It’s a public blog, is it not? You don’t understand what that means do you? The purpose is to discuss issues and that’s what I’m doing. Some people think there should be a “war” between the two parties, but most Americans don’t feel that way.

Pretty much since I started posting here some of the posters have promoted ignoring me and they labeled me a “troll” , a “libturd” and a “whacko”. Those are just some of the names I’ve been called for some of my “not so conservative” views. They want to keep this blog strictly for Obama-haters, and they call him worse names than they call me. This is pretty much a far-far-right blog and when liberals wander over here, they begin attacking them almost immediately. Most go away pretty quick, but I stuck around to see if I could get to the core of what makes them think the way they do. I think I’ve made a lot of progress here….at least for my paper. I haven’t put a dent in anyone’s beliefs though.

Can you site your source for your statements?

Comment by Liz
June 29th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I’m writing an article about the “new” Republican Party and the “attitudes” and “beliefs” of the new Republicans. The party is made up of totally different Americans than it was four years ago.

I thought not !

Ok, Liz, you posted a link to an article about China, but you don’t seem to be able to answer my questions in your own words. This usually tells me a person really doesn’t know, off the top of her head, what the term she is using really means. You didn’t address (1.) what Keynsian economics is, (2.) How the theory was discredited during the Carter administration or how it applies to China, a completely different system from our own, and how since China loosened central control its economy actually grew. From your article, it appears there is a problem with the policies being implemented and the economy in China is suffering and these policies are not proven to have helped yet. Guess what, they won’t- socialism and increased government interference in the market never does. That HAS been proven, many times, in many places.

As for the article, how can you make a blanket judgement about “attitudes and beliefs” of the “new Republicans” and to what do you attribute your assertion that the Republican party is made up of totally different Americans than it was four years ago? How do you know, and certainly how would you know from reading and posting on a blog? I would venture to say there are a variety of people of different parties represented here, and many people who identify themselves as conservative do not identify themselves necessarily as “Republican”. What publication is the article for, or is it a school project? I think you are doing an awful lot of stereotyping.

Sterling…well said. And true, of course. This has been an event of the most extreme, and unpleasant on every level. Those LTD’S, and the smart and informed, hopefully will continue to come, with their excellent opinions of the “news of the day”. I must think there are those who wish to close this blog down. I object also!!! “They” are certainly getting more attn than one would think should be given. The mood of the nation is edgy, to say the least as one feels their freedoms threatened. This blog has been a respite fr the hateful speech and behavior, that is common place so many other places. One feel compelled to defend, for sure. Hopefully this will be over soon. This site has been attacked b/4…I am not leaving. I do love Aly, and the show~~the news, the fun~~the camaraderie of good friends met along the way, on “Alisyn’s in the Greenroom”. By the way…that’s Mrs. Gini, HUM???? A little respect would be appreciated!!!! hahahahaha!!! ~~laughing~~ and tomorrow comes, regardless, maybe??????? not promised.

Comment by Sterling
June 29th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

While it’s not my job to do so, I would like to apologize to Mac and James, who are both relatively new here, for the current tone of this blog. It has always been a lovely place to visit, until recently. I hope that you both continue blogging here, along with all the other new folks and of course, all the ones who have been here for a long while. For any part that I may have played in any disappointment with this very nice place to be, I hope that you will forgive me for not being strong enough to just leave some things lay, rather than trying to defend my self or my friends.

Alisyn is kind and generous, funny and irreverent, and what a really great place she has fostered here. I’ve made good friends here, and I’ve learned much from everyone here, especially from those with whom I disagree. That’s what’s so wonderful about our country’s freedom of speech: It applies to all of us, no matter our views, and if we’re just smart enough to listen sometimes, we will all learn from each other and be better citizens for it.

Again, gentlemen, to you and all other new folks who’ve popped in to visit: Keep contributing, and keep enjoying the good people here, especially Ms. Alisyn.
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Well said…

And we will all do very good to follow Me’s advice and not engage any further with the recent trouble here.

Retro

Ok, I’m back, and I see a lot of Crap.

Hi Mac…

That is not the usual Mac….this is a very recent phenomenon…you can research that. You don’t have to take my word for it.

To Sterling and Gini,
Good to see you both.
In the first place……….. Neither of you need to apologize to me for anything

And I wish to assure both of you that I have no intentions of leaving here, yet. Well at least until I get a Serious response to my request to LIZ, about………………
Who the hell does she think she is, and what the hell is she trying to do to the people that frequent here.. O.K………………….As far as how good Ali is, That goes without question !
My question was not to her, it was to that girl that is trying to bait people on this blog for mis-representation purposes. I have many questions now !
And I will ask them.

Hi Miss Cookie Czar :- )

Mac You definitely are one of my definite fav’s!!! lol Smart, informed and always nice…an LTD, for sure!!!

To:
Sterling, and Gini,

I’m sorry if that sounded harsh, it was not meant to be…………………
But don’t you see that you can not feel like you are talking to people that you can trust with what you say to them in friendship any more .

But I have to love you both for your Concern.

Try to say that as fast as you can 3 times L O L

” The L.T.D. Motto ”

” GOD BLESS AMERICA “

Queen Gini, Mac is most certainly a fine addition to our bunker full of goons.
VRWC High Command is most pleased.

wo bist du

LizBeth ? ? ?

MAC I did…YIKES!!! ~~laughing~~ come and be with us! hum??? lol

I Respectively Return Your Salute Sir !
And I Offer You This………. Alligence To The U.S.A.
Good to see you Mr. Dog.

Erik yes, that would be absolutely TRUE!!!

I will Gini….. give me a few minutes ………….:-)……………..O.K. ?

LTD…a person that Listens, Thinks, and Discerns. For those that are, you know who you are. For those who are not, maybe you should be?? Food for thought, hum???

Ok Mac…

OK Retro…..here’s a link that explains it. I’m sure it’s quite different from what you think!

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm

Hang on Gini I want to show you something,
I’m going to my site and be back with information of some kind ?

Matthew 13:43 (King James Version)

43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Retro, I have more but nothing is posting right now.

to Liz :

No so far you have nothing.
You are going to answer me or one of us won’t be allowed to be here anymore !
I want more then a made up school girl story.
I Insist That I am Given A Reasonalble Explanation.
Still Waiting ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All hail us, the VRWC!
Our numbers are great and our number of firearms is even greater!
We shall impose liberty upon all of you whether you like it or not!
HA! HA! HA!
Our evil knows no bounds!

I didn’t see a question Mac, sorry!

Resistance is futile, you will be assemilated ! ! !

unless your a dog………… then you will just be promoted !

I think Dog should be our Combat leader. Vote Yay for yes
Vote Nay for No

Mac, why don’t you take your conspiracy theory to your blog. I thought you were a RV repairman! LOL

I’m not sure Alisyn wanted this blog for conspiracy theories, but I could be wrong! I don’t think so though.

Retro, I’ve tried at least 5X to post a link about the Chinese stimulus package, but it just won’t post. I don’t know why. Maybe I’ll try again tomorrow. Have a great night.

You will answer my question or one of us will leave, now that is the first fact
that you have to deal with.

HOW ABOUT A WARM UP QUESTION ?

Oh, well sorry to see you go! Like I said, I did NOT see a question.

I don’t unstand why you would talk to Liz . Shye has lied repeately on to all of us. I for one will not believe another word she has to say. Once a liar always a liar. When ever you read her posts just remember you are readind a LIAR. Don’t try and tell me “what are you talking about” you know what I mean. I hope everyone on here follows suit.

I’m here at the same time as your post- take the question or not – I have plenty of time.

to John:
I know her answers, equily as well as I know the Truth.
and I honestly appreciate your advice and councel.
But This is matter for Me and LIZ to settle.

You guys all make assertions with absolutely “nothing” to back up what you are saying! I have backed up everything I’ve ever posted, so how can you call me a liar?

I have to go now. It will be interesting to see what gets posted here while I’m gone. Seems like every time I leave I am the only subject of conversation here!

Have a good night.

Amen brother John
Comment by John
June 29th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
I don’t unstand why you would talk to Liz . Shye has lied repeately on to all of us. I for one will not believe another word she has to say. Once a liar always a liar. When ever you read her posts just remember you are readind a LIAR. Don’t try and tell me “what are you talking about” you know what I mean. I hope everyone on here follows suit.

Hello Mr. Chas

She said good night. Do you recon she had to go to her pimpin Job?

She did not even use a redirect link

to Liz:
Comment by Liz
June 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
You guys all make assertions

There is only one guy talking at you right now. Not Guys…. and could you please show me where I said Liars in any of my post ? …….. or called anyone names to get them to react in an agressive wa………… tricks …… ha ha, tricks for the gullable……. and exposure for the sneeks.

I will relax and have one of Gini’s cookies before retiring to my recliner. With your permission cookie czar? Everyone have a wonderful evening and God bless all.

Uncalled for Mr. James.

And that is more than I intend to say for the rest of the week.

I’ll let others throw sand in the sand box with the spoiled kid.

Problem with arguing with stupid is they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

The sooner you learn that, the sooner you learn to identify stupid.

chas

I will be here until you explain what you are up to… or …one of us will go away

Your right Chas. I know the more one stirs srink…the more stink they get on them.
I erred in my judgement of stirring the stink. It will not happand again, I hope..

VERY WELL SAID MR. CHAS.

Chas I apoligize for exploding. I have had some very bad expirences with people who have lied and cheated in the past. It something that get me fired up. Sorry I will try and constrain my self in the future.

We strive for progress rather than perfection
Lord please help me from stirring so much

James C.
I beg to differ with you my friend.
God teaches us to strive for perfection, in the spirit .
Which is our hope in life .
Forever……………………………………….

Chas, when have you ever said anything intelligent on this blog? I can’t think of a thing! Could you please post something that I can sink my teeth into! Thanks! LMAO!

Talk about stupid…..some people have a lot of nerve! LOL

I knew you couldn’t stop talking about me. Good night! My paper is looking great!

I will settle for progress.. least I get conceited

Well said Mac. It’s a tough journey sometimes

Some people are so full of themselves.

Hey Liz……………
Don’t forget about the release forms that must be signed……….
Buy everyone that posts here as well as FOX ! ! !

oh … you knew about all that burecratic crap didn’t you ?

Well ………… from here on ……….. you will be able to say that you have been schooled ! ! !

I’m not quoting anyone specifically, so that won’t be a problem Mac! Hey, I just heard they are trying to take term limits off the president. Does that mean Obama can be president forever? Wow! That would be sumthin huh? LOL

OK…..off to sleep!

Good Night Liz……………

I will be here Tommarrow

and the next day and the next, until I get the answer to my question.

Sleep Well…………….. and get some Help

KEEP OFF THE GRASS

Hey Olinl

A person familiar with the investigation into disgraced financier Bernard Madoff (MAY’-dawf) says at least 10 more people are likely to be charged by the time the probe is complete.

The person tells The Associated Press they will face federal charges over the next few months. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

Madoff was sentenced Monday to 150 years in prison for a multibillion-dollar fraud that burned thousands of investors.

It’s not unusual for people to talk about problems, evildoers, etc.

An Airbus A310-300 from Yemen with 153 people on board, including 66 French nationals, crashed into choppy seas as it tried to land in bad weather on the Indian Ocean archipelago of Comoros on Tuesday, officials said.

An official from the state carrier Yemenia said some bodies had been recovered from the wreck. The official could not say whether there were any survivors.

Paris Airport said there were 66 French nationals aboard.

Well, there are certain links that can’t be posted here…world news links. I wonder why. I’ve tried it many times.

Retro, I tried to post a link about the Chinese stimulus but this blog filters it out I guess. Anyway, it seems to be working beautifully because I bought some Chinese stocks back in March at dirt cheap prices and they are now up huge, and one is up 400%. The US economy is recovering faster than anyone thought it would a few months ago. Hopefully our stimulus works as well as China’s did.

Mac, where do I get help? Can you help me? With what? LOL

Good morning, anyone up?

Morning Bruce Up and at work to support the Bummer adm. Donald Trump says the world leaders are laughing at the US. I’ve been laughing at Bummer for a while already. I just beat them to it. We are a laughing stock. Isn’t that what Bummer run on.? He a success!!!!!

The conservative and moderate democrats are starting to challenge this Administration….where is all the money….this Administration in a few months has spent more… from George Washington to George W Bush and everyone in between…. where is… all this money… going.
Is this government investing taxpayer money…. in what their…investing in.?

Morning John and Sal. KEEP OFF THE GRASS

Good morning Sal…another day another dollar, hum???? hahaha!!! Rain is in the forecast, but so far, the sun is out at this moment, anyway. Chilly and sunny!!! Good morning John…I see Bruce also, fr earlier! lol Good advice Olin…we will KEEP OFF THE GRASS, for sure. lol

Morning Olinl.
I just cut the grass.

Morning Gini. how are you doing today.

Good morning Sal, Gini and Olin Good day to be alive. We could be Billy Mays. So young . I’m on the carpet, but earlier i was on the grass. Sorry it won’t happen again. Please let me know of any sanctions LOL

Morning John,
I feel bad for Billy Mays and his family.

The seeds that were planted in Irag and Afghanistan are spreading,
and all the hurd work…. has paid off…. for freedom in these countries.

I have been aware of “Bath England” ,The Lady of Bath through History and English Literature. However I was not aware of Bath Michigan. So naturally I ran a web check and found that in 1927 there was the first US School Bombing.
“ The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–12 years of age) attending the Bath Consolidated School. “ “Wikipeda”
My thoughts were how they people must have felt. This was before WW1. Such hostilities had not been experienced concerning our children. I know there had been labor protest and maybe as many death but not the death or our children.

Yes…we are KEEPING OFF THE GRASS. It’s still gorgeous here Sal. The seeds of FREEDOM for sure, and we wait to see what happens. lol We just want to be careful to not have a bad case of rash John, so it is recommended one steer clear, as the careful medicinal applications by the LTD’S hasn’t helped a bit, but seems to make it all worse, hum? It is reaching pandemic levels in fact, and causing a lot of pain in the domain of Cookie Czar!!!! ~~laughing~~ Recommended remedy is to wear the mask handed out to all staff, staffers, dept’s and bureaus, as well as fam, friends, and those that just came along, hum??? lol

Mornin’ James…

Mornin Gini and all

Have a great day everyone.

Gini. Don’t forget the gloves.

Just a reminder that this is chigger season (red bugs down here). They can produce evil itches in places that you can’t scratch in public!

Can one use artificial grass in case of an emergency? That carpet tastes bad. LOL

~~chuckle~~ Absolutely John!!! hahahaha!!! And gloves, of course Olin, however, the Cookie Czar will have to contact dept, bureaus, staff and staffers, friends, fam, and those that just came along, to see if Lanna, Dept of Pandemic Diseases, has any funds for dispensing of gloves. May be, that the LTD’S will have to provide their own!!! YIKES!

James It’s almost afternoon now!!! lol And a lovely day. No rain so far, and the sun is still shining. The air is chilly, however, so no pool today!!! brrrrrr!!!

Gini, Have you applied for stimilus moneey? There seems to be an endless supply of money. Ican’t think of a better way to stimilate the economy. H ave your people call my people.

John…will contact my first staffer, Annie, to contact her staff and staffers, and dept heads as well a bureau chiefs, and their staff as well, not leaving fam, friends, and those who just came along, out either, as we strive for DD in allllllllll things, as well as an informed, but not tooooooooooo informed, office, as I really am busy now, planning a new trip, trying to rent out the big ship, perhaps? as it is a nice ride, I hear anyway, and w/all the monies being spent, one might think a few could be made along the way? In the mean time, chk for a memo, which will be sent by staff to their staff to your staff, hopefully not encountering any spies along the way, of course, as it is always a possibility, and we are still in mourning for the Fly…we continue to mourn the Fly.

Alisyn, it’s getting very weird now. Neither Michael Jackson nor Debbie Rowe are the biological parents….

http://www.tmz.com/

Liz, I read your Carter Keynsian link and it offers a nice excuse for the Carter years, except that that wasn’t the way it happened. I was there, and running a business at the time as I have been for the past 39 years, and what was actually happening was that prices were going up and demand was down, and we were squeezed in the middle, as were all the other small businesses which make up the heart of the American economy. What pulled us out of Carter’s stagflation WAS Reagan’s policies- tax cuts, deregulation and turning business loose to grow. Free enterprise, Liz, the Austrian model of economics, always works better than tightly government controlled model. What you are seeing in your China stocks rising is loosening of the Chinese economy to allow some free enterprise. Less control, not more, by the Chinese government has caused China to improve. My son-in-law is Chinese American and I know about this. to some extent.

Now, what Obama is doing now is Carter squared, and will have the same result as it had during the Carter years, only worse. The economy is NOT improving. Unemployment is UP.Businesses are retracting- I know, I deal with them all over the nation in our industry. We scrapped plans to expand and are selling the piece of property we had planned to build a strip center on instead and pulling back. We certainly are not hiring, and business is relatively good in our part of the country. Cap and trade and higher taxes will make it worse, not better.

Why did Sarah Jessica Parker use a surrogate to have her twins, and I wonder what happened to the “extra” embroys!?!

Food for thought! (I think she is just vain and didn’t want to stretch her belly again)

Well, we shall see Retro. In the meantime, make money on Chinese stocks!

Down a bit today, but they have to take a breather sometimes. Don’t go for the gaming stocks though because I heard the government is getting involved in those.

The education stocks are skyrocketing as laid off workers are going back to school. Check out symbols (APOL, STRA, EDU). EDU is a Chinese company.

Have a great day!

“Unemployment in central Michigan continued to rise during May, according to the Michigan Department of Energy and Labor and Economic Growth.

Overall, unemployment increased from 12.1 percent to 13.4 percent between April and May in the region comprised of Clare, Gratiot, Isabella and Montcalm counties. Last year, the four-county region reported 8.6 percent unemployment in May.

An analysis of state data showed more people were trying to find work in May than in April, but there were fewer jobs to be had. That reflected what was going on all across the country.”

I’m sure it’s even higher than that….I would say 15% including people who are out of benefits.

Liz, what are you doing to research your article? What sources are you using and on what do you base your hypothesis that the Republican party has totally different people in it than four years ago?

And I am still waiting for you to describe Keynsian economics in your own words! I suspect maybe you know the term but not really what it means- looking up websites is one thing, and it’s fine to read about these terms, but you seem to have trouble actually describing these ideas in your own words.

Your knowledge base seems shallow- not unusual at your age, by the way, and you will learn more when you realize what you really don’t know yet. Be skeptical of what college professors tell you. The older you get the less they will know in retrospect as real life teaches you what only experience can.

The base has shifted dramatically Retro. Those who really know what caused the economic collapse have left the party in droves, as it seems our “leaders” are pretty dishonest. I don’t know anyone who voted for Bush, my age that is! And that includes guys I know in the military. Most of them think the war in Iraq didn’t accomplish anything and that the Iraqi’s will have a new dictator within the next few years. They hope to be proven wrong, but they are doubtful democracy can last there. Since the election I’ve talked to older people who say they can’t stand the party’s new spokespeople and that they haven’t taken a stand on a new platform or any new ideas. They seem to just want to recycle the old ideas that didn’t work.

As for keynesian economics I just took the definition and info. from Wikopedia. I know it may or may not have worked during the 30’s, but because of the breakout of WWII we will never know for sure. I hope that this stimulus works, but if it doesn’t, we gave it a good try and avoided another great depression….hopefully.

Liz,Liz,Liz. For someone who seems to overvalue higher education, you seem to be “learning” what you know from scattered internet sources of dubious merit like Wiki. If you truly want to be an educated person, you need to READ. Books. Lots of them. Have you taken a class in economics?

Are you basing your perception of the Republican party on what your young friends tell you in your local area? That will be anecdotal at best and give you a very limited view of the world. May I suggest reading the following books:
Liberty and Tyranny, number one on the NY Times bestseller list by Mark Levin. Bias, Arrogance, and 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America by Bernard Goldberg. The new Common Sense paperback, already number one in its category on NYT Best Seller list and only six bucks and change, by Glenn Beck. That one I haven’t read yet, have read all the others and they are excellent.

Culture Warrior by Bill O’Reilly. The classic Atlas Shrugged and The Founainhead by Ayn Rand. Been years since I read that one. 1984. Look for the parrallels to what is happening today. We have Big Brother and groupspeak already. I think it was called groupspeak in the book, been awhile.

Frankly, Liz, you aren’t ready to really write an article until you do some serious reading and actual research. You are forming opinions right now out your backside, to put it crudely. But that’s the truth. Start reading and quit “talking” for awhile and you will really have something to say.

l

Don’t worry about where I get my info Retro. It’s not an article about how Obama plans to fix the economy. It’s about why voters have left the Republican party and I’m using “blogs” as part of it. They are from Fox and MSNBC mostly. I’m writing about the differences in attitudes between the far far right and the far far left and the ones in the middle. It should be good. I’m not very interested in reading a book by Bill O’Reilly because I just think he’s a very rude person. I wouldn’t buy it. Thanks for your reading list though….it might get a mention in my article.

Comment by Liz

As for keynesian economics I just took the definition and info. from Wikopedia.
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Do you actually consider Wikopedia a valid source? That site can be altered with any information ( or opinion) that anyone wishes to add ! Not a good source.

I would also like to add some suggested readings.

Animal Farm
1984
Brave New World
Farenheit 451
Atlas Shrugged
Dr. Zhivago
Seven Days in May

And these are just primers.

If you need to know more about Keynesian economics Jimmy, there’s a reading list in the Wikopedia definition as well at the bottom. Check it out. And thanks for you reading list. I’ve read Dr. Zhivago…great book! Never saw the movie though…I now there is one out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

Is anyone near the Warren MI., shooting?

Yes, what happened?

Liz….you might want to check this site….many of the books I listed are included there….I had read all of these by the end of my freshman year in college…..required readings….enjoy…

uspolitics.about.com/od/politicaljunkies/tp/classic_novels.htm

Liz, those are also good suggestions for reading, jimmy offerd; some of the same ones I included. Have you read any of the books on either list? As for O’Reily’s books, you are missing some inportant information if you only choose a book based on your secondhand perceptions of the author. Lots of excellent writers throughout history have been less than perfect people. It is narrow-minded to refuse to read a book because you think the author is “rude”. You can pick any book up at the public library for free and peruse it without buying it. Try opening your mind; you might learn something, and for goodness’ sake, READ something besides the internet blogs and Wiki.

What part of the country are you in? Your perception of the Republican Party is going to be limited if you only talk to people in your local area. What other sources are you using to research your article? I actually am a published writer, although in a specialized field and would be glad to offer some suggestions. What publication is your article to be used for?

thanks Retro….you made some excellent points….esp. understanding views according to what part of the country you are in……excellent point…..it’s all about reading diverse opinions, and watching what is happening….and making your own decisions…..not just what you hear from your peers….good job!!!

Jimmy, let’s not forget Logan’s Run.

thanks Dog….one of my personall favorites…..even though it was a bit of a rip off of Brave New World HMMMMM? Did you know that was Farrah Fawcett’s first film role…although smalll…..as an asisstant in the plastic surgury dome?
And the city scenes were filmed in the Dallas Apparel Mart …..

Jimmy, I was just trying to speak to a particular issue if you know what I mean.

I know Dog…..it’s the professor in me….have to give you more information than you want ! Sorry !

Thank you, Jimmy, exactly. Others might have some favorite books to share, too. The thing that concerns me about younger people is how sophisticated they are about technology ( certainly far more than me), but what a dearth of information they have about history and how limited they have been in their reading. I am not seeing the background kids get today compared to the heavy reading in history and literature we did in college. It’s all Wiki and blogs and bull sessions and as Liz demonstrates here, when you really ask in-depth or even cursory questions, there is no “there” there. These are our “voters” of today. No wonder we are getting the government we are. And the sad part is I will be dead but the Liz’s of the country will have to live with their ignorantly formed choices and so will everybody else. I’m being kind of hard on you here, Liz, but honestly it is a kindness, especially if you are writing. I don’t know if you have sold articles before, or who this is for, or what their standards are, or if this is a school paper, but regardless if you have anyone reading it with discernment you need to have good research to back it up or it will not do what you want.

Jimmy, it’s always welcome from you, my friend.

thanks….Retro and Dog…..
Yep…back in the dark ages when I was in college and grad. school…things were very different….no internet…no computers…..so go to the library and do research…and read, read, read….then type your paper on a manual typewriter (oh, the mistakes…LOL)….and site all your sources….or fail because of plagarism……was it bit more difficult back then….BUT….I appreciate what I learned…..and how I learned! That will be with me for life….

brb…..

Jimmy, are you a professor? I was a high school teacher some years ago and I offer more information than anybody wants too! LOL It’s also the bain of the writer to be too “wordy”. Since I am also older than God and dirt I earned it, though!

Ah, yes, Jimmy. Those were the days. We luckily had a campus nerd ( even nerdier than me) who was ALWAYS at the library and would be so thrilled if a girl even talked to him he would leap joyously through the library and find anything you needed for your research. OH MY GOSH, I hope you aren’t him, LOL!

I wouldn’t take anything for all that reading and still have so many of those books it is ridiculous, plus many more. I’m in trouble in a bookstore.

HI Retro:

What a brain you have! My husband has been listening to audio books and reading books ( anew found pleasure) for several years now- all genres but has learned more about history than he knew was there! His father is a retired dean from Michigan State University who was an English prof but is also an in depth student and teacher of history as a avocation. He continues to teach at age 81 the topics of Women in History, Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Mark Twain ….you name it. The disucssions between father and son has made fascinating what used to bore my husband to death in high school and college. He has so much knowledge and insight into what is happening today because of what he has learned about a much younger country and the not so nice fact that the colloquialism absolute power corrupts absolutely is unfortunately the main headline throughout history. He laughs at my surprise at modern day politicians and their arrogance and messianic tendencies. Go back into any social or political or economic crisis and you will find nothing new under the sun. Too bad modern young people have little time for true stories and education has been replaced by the internet.

Thanks Retro, I do have very good research to back it up, and no I am not just interviewing local people, but thanks for asking. I said I would post a link to the article if I’m published, but I had to change my mind about that because I’ve had threats here. I have read lots of books, but not too many political ones. I just got interested in politics last fall when the economy fell apart…..as did lots of other people. It’s really not my forte! If I need any help I’ll let you know.

I don’t like Bill O’Reilly as a person because he’s so lacking in basic social skills, and even you would have to admit that. He’s very rude to his guests and I just don’t think that kind of behavior is called for in any situation, therefore I would not buy his book. I know he is very smart, unlike Glen Beck, who I think will say whatever he can get paid to say. I don’t think he has any true beliefs of his own. These are just my opinions from observation. Next time I’m in Borders I might pick up O’Reilly’s book and look through it.

Thanks Retro, I do have very good research to back it up, and no I am not just interviewing local people, but thanks for asking. I said I would post a link to the article if I’m published, but I had to change my mind about that because I’ve had threats here. I have read lots of books, but not too many political ones. I just got interested in politics last fall when the economy fell apart…..as did lots of other people. It’s really not my forte! If I need any help I’ll let you know.

I’m trying to post something that will not post…..I’ll try later.

I don’t like O’Reilly as a person because he’s so lacking in basic social skills, and even you would have to admit that. He’s very rude to his guests and I just don’t think that kind of behavior is called for in any situation, therefore I would not buy his book. I know he is very smart, unlike Glen Beck, who I think will say whatever he can get paid to say. I don’t think he has any true beliefs of his own. These are just my opinions from observation.

Next time I’m in Borders I might pick up O’Reilly’s book and look through it. I would read Huckabee or Chris Wallace if they have books out. I always liked Mike Wallace, and so did my dad, even though he’s Republican. I think it’s funny that Chris is so different from his dad, although they look a lot alike.

Next time I’m in Borders I might pick up O’Reilly’s book and look through it. I would read Huckabee or Chris Wallace if they have books out. I always liked Mike Wallace, and so did my dad, even though he’s Republican. I think it’s funny that Chris is so different from his dad, although they look a lot alike.

However, I don’t like Bill O’Reilly as a person because he’s so lacking in basic social skills, and even you would have to admit that. He’s very rude to his guests and I just don’t think that kind of behavior is called for in any situation, therefore I would not buy his book. I know he is very bright, but he just needs to “get a grip”! LOL

Hello everyone.
Long day at work today.
But thats a good thing.

Oh i see little miss I writing a book is here.
With no explanation of course

I disagree he is lacking in basic social skills. He simply asks hard questions and will not allow his guests to filiuster or avoid answering a question like they do on the other networks. If anything, I think Bill is too soft on them sometimes, but on the whole, he tries to be balanced and is fair to his guests. He has no patience with abuse of children, and neither do I. And he was the only interviewer on TV who called Barney Frank to task for the ridiculous things he got away with, although this last interview he did with him he gave him a pass and let him sit there and lie without calling him on it and playing his own quote which would have refuted what he was saying on the show.

I don’t have a problem with plain talk. I do have a problem with the abusiveness I see on some of the other networks. If you want to talk about a lack of basic social skills, how about refering to ME and the other million people who love this country and are concerned about government spending enough to attend a tea party a gross sexual term and redneck? Now THAT is lacking in basic social skills if you ask me. The hosts on other networks used this offensive term over and over the day of the tea parties. And as a result of that kind of thing, they have lost a large part of their audience and continue to lose more.

It seems”socially skillful” to insult men, white people, conservatives, Christians, people who are prolife, southerners, especially Texans, rural people, farmers, gun owners, etc.