Bachelorette Party
Did you hear Steve and me debating the purpose of a bachelorette party this morning? Was Jenna Bush’s a dud? Come on, a spa weekend with girlfriends? That’s called ”a spa weekend with girlfriends” not a bachelorette party. Now I’m not suggesting these events need those tired old pastimes of strippers or massive alcohol consumption but a little naughtiness, right? Anybody have any funny (please not dirty at this hour of the morning) bachelor or bachelorette stories to share?

Good morning. I got to know. What’s up with the cherry?
You go girls!!! I’m breaking out my chaps as we speak
I think I figured out the marcino cherry thing. However if there is a lingerie pillow fight video involved I will wait for film at 11. LOL
I seen duds and I seen great batchelor parties over my life. It’s funny we can talk about the duds more then the greats.
Ed
Hello Alisyn
No party stories . . . Yet! However, there should be more talk about why Congress is even concerned about Roger Clemens or anything else that is other than THE PEOPLES’ BUSINESS! Congress obviously needs a massive overhaul, they have too much power and a healthy sense of their own self worth. Congress, WAKE UP, America thinks you STINK!
My bachlor party was attended by my brother in law to be… He’s a priest. That was a blast!!!
Are you sure he was a real priest? Did his outfit have a tear-away feature?
Ali, you think Jenna will get a little pole dancing in during her weeikend?
Not unless it includes a pollster — you know those politicians’ kids.
Good Morning, Alisyn:
No stories to share but agree. I think we, as a society, need to reinvent the whole bachelor/bachelorette concept. Think about it……..if you eliminate strippers, dancers and booze what choices do we have to offer? It really is hard to find “clean” naughty these days. Personally, I am at a loss!
Looks like you are having a great time in the green room this morning!
Thanks,
Gus Viera
St Augustine, FL
gusviera@bellsouth.net
But Alisyn, Genna probably didn’t want all the attention that ‘that’ type of party would bring. I mean she probably doesn’t want to appear on shows like ET and on TMZ.com and such places.
But forget Genna Bush, since you’ve been more riled up this morning about this, care to tell us about YOUR bachlorette party?
Oh, and thanks to you Alisyn and the rest of the F&F crew for making a quiet evening here in Australia much more enjoyable!
bachlorette party? what bachlorette party?
Did you show your husband what to do with thoses cherries?
No, husbands should never know this tradition
good morning form the texas hill country…i would just like say you guys are the best i have been watching the show for 10 years no place but fox where you can get the real info thank you all..randall b. smith from kerrville, texas
Maybe a bachelorette party would have precluded the train wreck witnessed on Moment of Truth and countless other marriages.
Do you ever get tired of being told how “marvelous” you are? It must be drudgery replying to all of the compliments you receive. How do you do it?
Yes, it’s so tedious. Please don’t. Stop. I mean it, don’t stop.
As stressed as women get over the wedding day who is going to enjoy the wedding day more, the ones who were out partying the night before or the ones who had massages and pampering?
You’ve got a good point!
A friend had a male stripper at her party — we were so embarassed we didn’t know what to do and the guy really got upset; guess it challenged his manhood. I would have loved a spa esperience with the girls much more!
Anything’s better than a male stripper!
I know, Alisyn. You can tie a knot with the cherry stem using your tongue!! By the way, getting wasted at your bachelor party can land you in hot water if you call your fiance, I know fron experience. David
I bet someone learned to tie a knot in the cherry stem with their tongue!
Please, we’re not that cliche.
I would like to know that I can trust my wife to be before and after and a wild party is not the way to be trusted and while Im here why are the people in the U.S.A held more responseable than our elect I remember when a President stood up in front of all of us and did not tell the truth and nothing happened to him but we are going to put Roger in jail for the same thing maybe Clinton needs to spend time with Roger or maybe a lot more he was our leader.
Alisyn,
I hope you read this. It is not about your blog at all, but I feel cheated by Fox and Friends.
On Wednesday the 20th I was announced as the Winner of the Aflac Trivia Question of the day. I did submit the correct answer. I have sent several email requests to find out how I will receive my prize. (the book that is promised to every winner) As I said I have sent several requests to Fox and Friends and also to Your comments at Fox and no response. It has been more than a week with not so much as a confirmation or we will contact you later for your information. I am a loyal Fox viewer. It would be a shame to find out that no book is coming. I did not know where or who else to contact because nothing on Fox’s website directed me to a live person. I hope that because you are on the computer during Fox and Friends that you will get this and be able to help me.
So sorry about that Theresa! I have someone looking into getting you your book.
imnot surehowmuch fun you can have with the seacretservice crashing the partylol
I’m sure they had something going on that we just don’t know about. What happens at the spa, stays at the spa.
Hi Girl,
You talked about an illusive cherry! What’s the scoop?
Good show like always.
Paul
Oh, and by the way, isn’t it ironic that congress wants to go after private citizens because they lied to congress! What should be the penalty when congress lies to us?
Just another thought.
OK I hate to change the subject but I have to vent and Ali I know you’ll humor me….
About this nanny! WTH???? I see this woman in three different outfits. How long did this mother let this woman toss around her babies??? I know she said she got home as quick as she could. If that’s true, why is this beast wearing different outfits in the tape?
First off, I’m a firm believer in, if you can stay home with your babies, you should, second I told my husband if I ever think I need a nanny cam to monitor their behavior then she is NOT the one I want. So I need to either stay home or find someone I trust.
Listen, if this was me, you’d see about 5 minutes of tape then you’d hear the door slamming open, next thing you’d see is me turning off the tape and the nanny and my right hook would have a serious talk! I have to turn away every time that comes on the screen. It makes my uterus cringe!
OK, I feel better. I return you to your normal programming.
Thank you,
Theresa aka MOT
You know what? You’re right. Could that really have all been one day? Let me find out.
I wish my friends did go to a spa instead of hiring the male stripper. He was horrible and we didn’t know how to react to his performance, which upset him and his manhood. Never again.
EEEEwwww.
Ali, back when I had my bachelor party there was no such thing as youtube, so I’d probably have a boring evening today if I were to have another party. I always say it’s better to be safe than sorry. BTW, I will be watching later and don’t back out on the cherry story.
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Bachelorette parties should be something that is wild and crazy. How fair is it that men get to go all out and usually end up in Vegas? “What happens there stays there” What about the women? Please don’t let us go down in history as being dried up and not adventurous enough to just let our hair down and have fun! What happened to male dancers? Disco dancing? Bikini Martinis? C’mon girls! Let me speak from experience, once you are married – you are going to wish you had that wild and crazy night before your wedding. Right Alisyn????
I’m all for disco dancing! But why should it be just one night? I vote for dancing even AFTER marriage. I’m that nutty!
Hi Alysin,
Spas can be fun for sure especially coed.
Loved the WWF throw down between Dooms Day Doosey, Killer Kilmeade vs. Donnie the Great Oz. Loved it! Alysin, you should have been the lady walking around with the sign in the middle of the ring lol.
By the way, McCaine should have responded to Obama, If we weren’t in Iraq, Al Qaeda would be here fighting instead of Iraq and there were some Democrats that understood that at the time that now some have jumped ship in order to satisfy the looney left during the election. To me, Im not surprised Barack Hussein Obama voted against going into Iraq. Prince Hollywood will be the democratic nominee.
Sorry to change the subject. Love you guys!
I would think the girls Spa party would be fun with half naked men giving the spa. But then again she is the Presidents daughter. What would the Libbies say if she were involved in something like that. You did see what happened to Billy Clinton now did’t you. He was already married!!!!
EJ
Alisyn, regarding the officer that was dragged down the street, a similar incident occurred a couple of years ago in Oxford, MS (Ole Miss, ask Shep about it.) The officer was killed after being dragged (drug?) about 100 yards. Tragic.
Great looking skirt today. Little different look for you!
hey Alisyn, my buddy has his bachelor party next week, we have a giant EMPTY cake…..what do ya say???!!!!
Save me a piece.
Alysin:
You have to give us the scoop on the cherry stem. Also, in defense of Jenna, my bachelor party was in Vegas so you can only imagine what COULD happen there. Quite honestly though, we played golf everyday, gambled and had great dinners at some of Vegas’ great restaurants. I didn’t have the want or need to have strippers all over me, etc.
M
Hi,
I didn’t know where to post this so I guess this will do. I would like Gretchen’s views on her home state’s denying a bill that makes English the language of drivers’ tests, considering an illegal in her sancuary home state just killed 4 kids on that school bus?
I have no comments on bachelorette parties other than I like the idea of a mild spa weekend. Sounds nice.
However, I’m much more interested in Edwards comment about our politcal leaders. AMEN to his brilliant assessment of our puffed up arrogant members of congress!
Edward – you’re my hero.
Ok, I’ve had my coffee now. Sorry about spelling your name wrong lol and the illusive missing word “here” in my text. Anyway Alisyn, hope you have a great rest of the day.
All I was thinking about Alisyn was Laura, Barbara and GWB saying, “Jenna it is about time you did have a slow time!”
I remember putting my best friend on a bus the day before his wedding day drunk and only a dime in his pocket. Strippers were fun but him calling from South Bend Indiana was the best. He did make his wedding. Late. Long drive from Pittsburgh.
bachelor party-
many years ago at a bachelor party we got the groom so liquored up
he had to go to the hospital the morning of his wedding day and was 60 minutes late for
his own wedding-
Now that’s overdoing it.
OK, you said you would tell us after the AtSS and we’re waiting to hear about the cherry
I’ve thought better of it
I’ve thought better of it.
Ok Ali, you’ve got my undivided attention!
Thank Heavens for women like Jenna Bush. She has grown up. Thank Heavens for morals. I know this will not be a popular comment. Sorry that you guys have stooped to this.
ALISYN,
NO BACHLOR PARTY FOR ME OR BACHLORETTE ME OR MY BRIDE.CAME HOME ON MILITARY
LEAVE.MARRIED XMAS EVE 1965.SHIPPED OUT 12/29/66.SAW HER AGAIN ON LEAVE(SHE MOVED) TO NORFOLK,VA.THAT’S WHERE MY SHIPPED DOCKED.WE ARE FROM SYRACUSE,N.Y.
12/19/67.WE HAVE BEEN MARRIED 41 YEAR’S.NEVER HAD A HONEYMOON EITHER.SOME DAY?
I hope so Ken
Allison…. Please, when do we get to hear the details of the “Cherry Tradition”?
Never
Ali,
If I were marrying you I would hope you were doing the spa thing as well….I have met Jenna’s future husband at a wedding in Lynchburg, Va….I do not think this couple is interested in getting out of control…..too much to lose..his Dad was Lt. Gov in Va….and Jenna’s dad holds an important job as well.
Yeah, I’ve heard that. Her Dad’s the head of something, right?
Ali,
You GOT to come clean on the cherry story. You aroused our suspicion, now lets hear it !!!
I’m merely protecting the guilty.
C’mon Alisyn, viewing marriage as the end of freedom for ever instead of the beginning of a new fun life together is a recipe for future divorce. Marriage is great! Divorce is what stinks! Sherry
You’re so right Sherry
One of my wife’s friends was asked to try on lingerie. While in the bathroom putting it on they snuck in
the dancer. When she came out, she looked at the guy and said “hey Mike, I haven’t seen you since high
school”! It turned out to be one of her old flames, leading into an uncomfortable situation.
I think Edward is right about congress. But I think they should investigate the way cherries are treated in the U.S. at bachelorette parties.
Love the show.
Hi Alisyn,
Re: spas vs. naughty for a good time
Some of us don’t need artificial stimulation or lustful entertainment to have a good time.
Relaxing pampering while getting to spend time with some of our fav friends is way more cool !
b4
are you kidding?
a spa weekend would be the absolute BEST!
next time jenna can sure count me in!
I think they should be naughtier but not to point a future hubby would be very upset. I think most of us women view a male stripper different than men view a woman stripper. I would laugh myself to death but thats me lol. I got robbed of even a dud party *sniff* as none of my friends planned one for me
Come on, your killing me. What happened with the cherry?
Edward, why stop at Congressman, remember Bill Clinton, impeached yet exonerated by Congress for lying. Its not too late to haul him in for that, or even Hillary for raiding Vince Foster’s office and hauling a box of papers out of his office during the White Water event. The paperwork was found in the residence of the White House, also a 30 year veteran of the Secret Service lost his job for saying she did.
Ed
I threw a bachelor party for a friend in Memphis, Tennessee that was attended by a vegetarian. The vegetarian threw in the towel for the weekend, eating ribs and BBQ sausage at a famous rib restaurant the first night. Two hours later, he was getting sick in the bathroom. However, the next day for lunch he went all in again at a Brazilian steakhouse, consuming massive quantities of meat. He spent the next 3 1/2 hours passed out in the back of my car. We joked he had “meat poisoning.” That night, he ate the seafood buffet at a casino, which he tolerated better than the previous meals. The next day, he was all vegetarian again.
Wow, he really rocks the party!
Maybe the Secret Service Guys will do the Stripper Bit ! What if Jenna shows up on YOUTUBE or Maybe TMZ ??
Give her a break! She was widely criticized when caught drinking in college. What kid doesn’t do this? Now she shows some maturity and has a “calm and grown-up” party and is criticized.
Two funny memories come to mind of bachelor parties past…
Having one of the dancers from the party end up being a date of one of the guests at the wedding…talk about a “Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner” moment!
The other time a group of us were together picking up our tuxes at the same time. While in different fitting rooms making sure everything was correct we were lauging about some of the exploits at the party. Turns out the father of the bride to be was in one of the rooms at the end of the hall. Oops!
Yikes!
No big bachelor/bachelorette stories here; just curious about Allisons cherry story. She seems like a party animal at one time; and steals the show on FOX. Am I the only one suggesting Allison do a photo shoot for a fully clothed mahazine like Maxim??? she has the looks,the personality and seems so down to earth. How come there is no link on the Fox website so you can email Steve,brian or Allison or Loren??? This needs to be an option. Good day to all.
WHO CARES?????? Aren’t there more pertinent and important topics for discussion than bachelorette parties and what skirt Alisyn is wearing??? I am sorry I ever got caught up in reading this blog — such an absolute waste of my time. I won’t be wasting my time reading Alisyn’s thoughts or anyone else’s contributions from now on. It’s time y’all move on past junior high………..
Stephanie,
This might be a good topic for Open Blog Friday tomorrow
It does not matter what Jena does, it would draw negitive comments. I think she has morals and class about her. Its her party, not ours.
I could see it now “IF” Jenna had a little fun it would be tabloid fodder and daddy Bush would be classified as a pimp. This news is UNIMPORTANT. On to real matters!! And frankly I don’t care what the host think about this particular story.
those bush girls can’t win. if she had had a wild “bachorlette” party, the media would have been all over jenna. personally, i don’t like the idea of brides getting crazy before they walk down the aisle. this craziness should be done with after she accepts the ring.
I mean no offense, but maybe American values need to be reexamined. Who ever said that, before someone in love gets married, that they need to go out and get “naughty”?
This can result in very real pain, both physically and emotionally.
All we need to do is celebrate, with our friends, the great occasion marriage represents.
For you guys that have some “weird” idea what the “cherry game” is please read the following..geez you guys must lead boring life….
The Cherry Game: Ask who at the party would like to regain her virginity. When you have several volunteers, place in front of each of them a maraschino cherry in a bowl. Explain that this will be a race to see who can eat their cherry first. They cannot use their hands. Just as they think this will be an easy game, you go around with a can of whipped cream and fill each bowl. Now you have a fun game.
That’s not our tradition but it sounds delicious.
I have a general comment and/or question.
When I turned on Fox/Friends Weekend, l was surprised to see that Paige and Kelly were not on.
I then saw Kelly later Saturday morning with Bridgette Quinn.
Where or where is Paige?
Also, has the hour I spend with John Gibson and Heather gone by the by as well?
I don’t mind change as long as it’s explained….
Mary Cole
Phoenix, Arizona (fyi, sunny and 82)
When my sister got married her husbands bachelor party had a some naughtiness and a very bizarre and fortunate ending.
First off I had an unemployed cousin who never worked from the time he graduated high school into his 30’s. Well here he was with a stripper who could pick up dollar bills with her anantomy. Now this kid lives off of his parents and somehow he showed up with $50. When he saw the stripper he went to the grocery store near buy and got that fifty exchanged for all singles. He spent a good part of the night laying on the floor letting that stripper pluck money out of his mouth. Valtrex anyone?
Not only did the grooms brother get a topless host with money grabbing talents he then hire a stripper and lingerie models.
The stripper showed up with her bouncer. During her routine the bouncer ept his face in the corner and away from her not looking. Someone said “Hey why aren’t you looking?” I commented maybe it’s her brother.” It was but what was funny is there was a mirrored wall and he was caught peeking in the mirror back at his sister.
Then the lingerie models who were supposed to come at 9pm showed up shortly after 11pm. Not only were they late, but they were really really unattractive. I gave the brother of the groom the $75 deposit he paid, and immediately sent those women on their merry way. I was in no mood to see janet Reno and Rosie O’Donnell in nighties.
Then her his the ultimate ending. The bachelor party was in the basement of a local bar. It was a private party room in a building that was built in 1954. The exact minute that the last person had gone back in to get keys he left on the bar and returned to the parking lot, the building went up in flames. The building was completely engulfed in less that 15 minutes. The night we burnt Blue Hill Down. An electrical fire had started and within minutes the area leading out of the basement was completely consumed by fire. Had the party lasted 15 or 20 minutes longer we would have been done. The basement windows were all glass block and there was only one door out of the basement.
Scary. This morning Steve joked about us being hit be lightning…
Oh please. What’s wrong with a group of friends getting together to celebrate the pending nuptials of one of them without getting “naughty?”
Oh, wait. I see now. No tawdry photos. No endless recriminations from the left about the hypocrisy of the right. No constant “pop tarts” coverage. I see….
I, for one, applaud her decision NOT to get sucked into the pornification of this culture! What sort of example do we set for children about love, commitment, and sobriety if we think everything has to be “sexed up” to be fun?
Maybe Miss Bush takes her love, and her faith, seriously? God forbid!
I don’t usually respond or even read this sort of stuff, but want to comment here. Why should everyone be up in arms over a party where the bride-to-be is doing what she wants, where she wants, and with whom she wants, just because there is no sleeze associated with it. It’s about time someone just having a good, clean, fun time. This society seems to think that “naughtiness” and alcohol have to accompany everything we do. Sorry. I don’t buy it. Alcohol just gets people in trouble (want to know the #1 drug problem in the US today?) and many times “naughtiness” just destroys families. Why are people so enamored with them? Not me. I enjoy my life without all that garbage. Thanks, but no thanks. Maybe you should focus on something that matters for a change instead of trying to criticize someone who does something right. Doing what’s good or right just isn’t in vogue. Too bad. What a sad commentary.
Just to be clear — no one is “up in arms” about Jenna having a low-key party. This is just a topic we were talking about in the Greenroom this morning. To each his (or her) own.
I seem to recall a near-miss nav(e)l incident of sorts at your bachelorette party … yeah, yeah, I’m burning the photos as we speak.
Why must you tempt me this way Al? You know I can’t keep quiet!
I was wondering where those photos were!! And why did I pick a bestfriend with such a long memory?
Question: Why is Brian always the butt of your jokes? A joke is not a joke unless everyone is laughing.
About Jenna’s party, It proves that she has gained some common sense (which isn’t so common anymore) by not having a silly party. Those foolish things always come back to haunt, 30 years down the road.
We’re not laughing at Brian. We’re laughing near him.
A bachorlette party is whatever the bride and her friends want it to be. Since you weren’t invited, how do you know if it was a “dud” or not?
You’re right — where WAS that invitation?
Jenna’s party is not really any of your business, is it? I don’t see how she is accountable to you or anyone in the media about this? OH! I get it! Because it wasn’t a wild shindig, the media couldn’t find anything to make a big deal over so you are making a big deal out if NOT being a wild shindig. A bride’s “bachorlette” party reflects her own choices. I didn’t realize the world had fixed all its problems so that there was nothing more important than this for the media to fixate on. Get a life.
Did I say Jenna Bush was accountable to me? I hope not. I have enough childcare responsibilities.
This spa thing might be something Genna & her friends have been talking about doing for a long time, and this was the perfect excuse to get it done. Point is, who are you to declare if it was a dud or not? Seems to me you’re on the outside looking in. If Genna & her friends had fun and didn’t embarass Daddy, that’s all that counts.
I just had to comment because I see so many people responding so seriously about your comments about the bachlorette party……………….I didn’t see it as you were “up in arms” or outraged really by it but took it as sparking a conversation on bachelorette parties and what everyone does at them. It’s sad that so many people have lost their sense of humor and take things so seriously. Life’s too short I say, and try to find humor and fun in everything I do – even in my job which isn’t much fun. Much rather have yours! : )
Hi Alisyn,
Before we got married, I had built a house, that we moved into on our wedding night. Before this my brother had thrown a bachelor party for me at the house, in the finshed basement, well somewhere I had a bit to much to drink and passed out. The next day, I went around cleaning up, and came across a couple of women’s panties in the master bedroom, keeping in mind that Sally or I had not moved anything in yet. So when I found them, not wanting Sally to see them took them out and burned them in the burn barrel. Well, yes you guessed it, the next day Sally asks if I seen her panties. We still get a great laugh over this 28 years later,(March 1st).
Thanks for listening,
Carlo & Sally Cellucci
Winder Ga.
KUDOS to Jenna (& her friends) who apparently have more class in their little pinkies than many to-be-weds in the great USA; and moreso than anyone who would judge her bachelorette party as a “dud”. Let’s hear it for Americans behaving with dignity and class – and at such a young age!
I have to say today was a very funny show. I have to wake up at 3:00am if I’m going to catch it. I’m glad I did. I loved the Donny tackle, that was good. I love the spontaneity the F&F has. I’m always sorry to see some of the crew and guests go after Brian though.
Sure was looking forward to hearing your cherry story. Oh well, we respect your decision to protect the innocent or the not so innocent…..;-)
I attended a bachelorette party for a co-worker/friend back in Nashville about 12 years ago. The man was sooo nasty, we couldn’t get him to stop or leave. One of the older women who was there asked him as he was dancing (?) in her face “if his mother knew what he did for a living.” It was so cute. My boss fled out the garage door and ran down the street to her house. He cornered me and another friend in the kitchen where I sternly advised him if he wanted to keep that 3rd leg working order he better not get any closer. And several women locked themselves in the upstairs bathroom until he finally left.
I haven’t attended many bachelorette parties in my life, but sure haven’t been to any since that night.
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While you were holding your hands in front of your face I couldn’t help but notice you were looking thru your fingers. Whats up with that if you didn’t want to see anything.
Three fun things to do at those parties:
1. Relax.
2. Have fun.
3. Enjoy the freedom.
===========================
For after “I do”-
Isn’t the freedom over and through?
.
Mary Elizabeth Rumsey
Three by M.E./Rhymes of the Times
Porter, Texas
This is my first day in the green room…is this working? if so Hi Alisyn
Sorry but I think the spa weekend is a great alternative to drinking and making a fool of yourself.
Besides–you never know when something from you past will come back to haunt you. Who knows maybe someday Jenna might want to run for President.
prince henry serves in afghanistan, Jenna Bush is planning a bachelorette weekend with the girls. Now that’s what I call sacrifice during war time.
Hi Alisyn,
We understand you attended TNS of M……. County. As parents of two graduates ( 1986 & 2007 )we would be interested in hearing what TNS experience has meant to you. Do you still have contacts with fellow grads?
Our family enjoys your show every day…we love it!
Thanks
Barry & Barbara
I thought you were going to tell us about your party?
Ok, I’m trying to work this out. Rated a “jeeper” from the priest you told but not even one Hail Mary or nuthin’! Hmmmm…..
1. Does it involve transferring the cherry from one person to the other?
2. Does the pun ‘popping the cherry’, meaning biting the marischino so it burst all juicy etc, have anything to do with it?
3. Did your group ever have any guy say ‘No.’? I think it highly unlikely, but ‘I am curious, marischino’. (wonder if that phrase is too old a cutural reference?
)
4. Could you hide an explanation in your blog like one word each day in italics so we can eventually find out? Hunh, couldya, pleeeeeeeese?!?
;P
HI Alisyn,
Great come back above to jlw, Loved it. We noticed you quit responing after that one, hope they didn’t piss ya off.
Carlo & Sally
Winder Ga.
Hi Alisyn,
Just viewed ATSS on your bachelorette party. Could the cherry issue involve a stranger from the bar, a cherry, and the bride-to-be’s clevage? Asking a stranger to simply remove / place a cherry out / in the bride’s clevage? Just guessing here since you have yet to hold to your comment of writing in this blog the details of your cherry story.
Great show (ATSS) as well as the normal Fox News show. It is the only one I can rely on for honest news reporting. For that I thank the entire news crew, to include not only the commentators, but also the behind-the-scenes crew. One group cannot perform without the other.
take care,
Andy